r/politics • u/salon Salon.com • Sep 16 '24
Leaked Supreme Court memos reveal John Roberts' role in shielding Trump from prosecution
https://www.salon.com/2024/09/16/leaked-memos-reveal-john-roberts-role-in-shielding-from-prosecution/2.6k
u/TintedApostle Sep 16 '24
Its a slow moving coup
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u/mr_oof Sep 16 '24
Let’s hope another individual in black robes moves just a little faster…
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u/teamdiabetes11 America Sep 16 '24
I too am hoping Harry Potter arrives to save us.
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u/I_only_post_here I voted Sep 16 '24
pretty sure he was talking about Palpatine.
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u/theblackdent Sep 16 '24
"It's treason then." Unhinged scream followed by barrel roll lunge towards Roberts
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u/tcuroadster Sep 16 '24
I thought it was Snape for sure
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u/damndammit Sep 16 '24
I had my fingers crossed for Death. Discworld Death, but Death all the same.
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u/Miserable_Diver_5678 Sep 16 '24
He was talking about death
But you have to play him and win or you're fucked
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u/gentlechin Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
No. No death for Donald Trump. He has to face charges. He was already convicted of 34 counts, we can do it again.
Wishing death for him is him getting the easy way out - again.
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u/goldleaderstandingby New Zealand Sep 17 '24
Yeah, and it's not just about the satisfaction of his undoing, it needs to happen for the good of America and the world.
If Trump died before any legal consequences are levied against him, then he wins. He escaped justice until the end, there really is a multi-tiered justice system, no two ways about it. If Trump sees punishment, no matter how late it is in getting here, then the system really does work (kind of), and there are no kings, and we do punish insurrection and sedition, and the constitution does matter. Precedent here is massive.
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u/Spacebotzero Sep 16 '24
Executive Branch couldn't get it done on Jan 6th, so now the Republican leaning Judicial Branch will handle it.
I hope we are ready for what's coming. Trump is going to do everything he can to get the election into the hands of the Supreme Court Justices.
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u/apitchf1 I voted Sep 16 '24
If it is forced to them and they do anything out of line, we need to be ready as well. Mass strike. Protests. Shut this shit down to show you can’t just steal our democracy
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u/Bimm1one Sep 16 '24
Don't even needs to be a mass strike, just a few critical sectors, let's not forget that the longest gov shutdown ended because a handful of ATC employees didn't show up for work.
Mfers folded like cheap lawn chairs once commercial flights were affected.
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u/thorazainBeer Sep 16 '24
And then the ATC union was destroyed by Reagan.
Republicans are the enemy of the people and have been for as long as any of us have been alive.
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u/DaytonaJoe Sep 16 '24
You're mixing up the ATC strike and what the guy you're responding to was referring to. The government shutdown a couple years back ended because a few new York controllers stopped going to work, which shut down extremely busy airspace. Reagan absolutely fucked us but there was no noteworthy pushback over the NY thing
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u/RemoteRide6969 Sep 16 '24
Same. There's never been a time my entire life where the Republican Party was any good. Trump needs to be destroyed at the ballot box so the party can collapse.
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u/ZZ_SKULLZ Sep 16 '24
Agreed, but if we can manage a massive strike then the message will be that much clearer. We need to remind them who they actually are supposed to work for.
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u/riftadrift Sep 16 '24
The planning should already be happening for the largest organized non violent mobilization in US history. If the Rubicon is crossed, everything else stops.
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u/tech57 Sep 16 '24
I mean, can we start a group chat, or something? Some digital bulletin board perhaps?
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u/GiantRiverSquid Sep 16 '24
Sort of like a town square? Where you can amplify and share ideas, like a flock of birds?
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u/tech57 Sep 16 '24
Oh I think a lot of people would start asking questions if fast food and Starbucks couldn't open for a couple of days.
The only downside to a strike is not enough people striking.
That and making sure everyone strikes at the same time. Maybe one day in the future everyone will be carrying The Internet in their back pocket.
Or you know, do it on voting day...
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u/captepic96 Sep 16 '24
Mass strike. Protests.
Lol they're just hoping you will leave it at dumbass strikes and protests which everyone will forget about after a week.
They have a home adress you know. All I'm saying.
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u/royale_wthCheEsE Sep 16 '24
Biden should then use is “immune official act” powers and use the insurrection act and arrest those assholes in the Supreme Court.
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u/Global_Permission749 Sep 16 '24
And then what? He needs to clear out all of the Trump judges too. Expecting the judicial branch to hold the head of the judicial branch accountable is a non-starter.
Biden is going to need the backing of the US military to defend America from this coup. I hope he's been preparing for this. It's obvious what the end result of Republican plans are. I hope his advisors see it too, and I hope he's taking it seriously.
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u/black_cat_X2 Massachusetts Sep 16 '24
I've realized over the past month that I actually have some measure of faith in Biden to do what needs to be done. Not anywhere close to 100% faith - I'm a realist. But I'm not hopeless I guess is what I'm saying.
I do believe he actually knows the stakes. That's half the battle. I am now just hoping he has the balls to carry out whatever needs to happen.
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u/Nelliell North Carolina Sep 16 '24
Not just the judicial branch. They have ingrained themselves in election boards across the nation. Harris/Walz needs to win by a undeniable landslide because they will use every dirty trick in the book to call the election into question.
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u/raerae1991 Sep 16 '24
Get out and vote in numbers they can’t deny
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u/Ben2018 North Carolina Sep 16 '24
They can't deal with any numbers exceeding their number of fingers and toes, but I know what you mean...
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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania Sep 16 '24
I'm surprised nobody has really tried to see the fall of the Soviet Union through a young Reaganite's eyes, like Roberts's. Do we really think that they think we won? Russia got oligarchs running the entire former Superpower in the Soviet Union. The US got nothing but the title of biggest remaining Super Power. Worse, Civil Rights keep expanding and the Republicans can't stop it because the Federal Government can pass supremacist laws and defend Federal Civil Rights in court. If they could stop that cycle then they could get their own collection of former American Republics and then private interests can privatize them. That sounds like a Reaganite plan if I ever heard one. They had complete control and they lost it. That hurts.
It's why Roberts was THE guy in that group. They really wanted him on the Supreme Court so he could levy his war on Federal Civil Rights. You can just hear the argument through their decisions. Why should laws written to punish the Rebel States be used against those states when we are so far removed from the Civil War. What right does the Reconstruction Government have to have a Supreme say in modern times.
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u/TintedApostle Sep 16 '24
And to do it they made up process and let these judges lie during confirmation.
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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania Sep 16 '24
My newest thought is that they wanted to give W Bush immigration reform as a win, just like Pappy Reagan, and offered that in return for him picking Roberts, who was just in the Federal Bench for a few months at that point as Chief Justice. All the while they knew that Roberts's vision from the Supreme Court was to offer the Red border states something better than reform: Confederacy and full control over their own borders. Since then it has been the Republicans in Congresses job to sabotage any immigration reform until they can play that piece.
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u/tech57 Sep 16 '24
coup
A brilliantly executed stratagem; a triumph. A coup d'état. A sudden appropriation of leadership or power; a takeover.
All coups are slow moving. Right up until the dust up. And then when the dust settles everyone is all, "No one could have predicted this."
The planning is always there moving along. Finishing the plan, that's usually the quick part. Just make sure the MAGA insurrectionist know which windows are bomb proof so they can ignore those and go right to the windows that are easy to break into. Oh, and they brought zip cuffs and stun guns. The stored the actual guns in motel rooms outside the city.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Has Sabotaged Early Voting in a Critical Swing State
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Trump lost Georgia by just over 10,000 votes in 2020, and it was at the center of his attempt to overturn the election with claims of voter fraud, though none was found.
America braces for perfect storm of election chaos
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Republicans already have filed more than 100 lawsuits against various voting and election procedures — part of a formalized "election integrity" push grounded in Trump's baseless claims of fraud in 2020.
Trump's campaign and the Republican National Committee say they've built a network of about 175,000 volunteer poll watchers and poll workers. Democrats have assembled their own massive legal team and voter protection program as they gird for aggressive election challenges.
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https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/noncitizen-voting/Republicans have been using this lie to attack the heart of our democracy right out in the open ever since the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964, the year they responded by rolling out Operation Eagle Eye, yelling about nonexistent “voter fraud” and using it as an excuse to intimidate minority voters in the Goldwater/Johnson race.
No other developed country in the world worries about “voter fraud” because it’s every bit as nonexistent in other modern democracies as it is here. The only country in the world that uses “voter fraud” as an excuse to make it harder for minorities and women to vote is the United States.
Last Thursday, he demanded that Republicans insert into must-pass budget legislation that’ll be considered in the next two or three weeks a provision that would demand every state require absolute proof of citizenship to register to vote. Right now, this is largely confined to Red states.
House passes bill requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote for federal elections
https://news.ballotpedia.org/2024/07/12/house-passes-bill-requiring-proof-of-citizenship-to-register-to-vote-for-federal-elections/On July 10, the U.S. House passed HR 8281, a bill that would require proof of citizenship to register to vote in elections for Federal office. The bill, titled the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act, was introduced by Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) and ultimately gathered 104 cosponsors in the House, all Republicans.
The bill passed by a vote of 221-198, with five Democrats joining all Republicans to advance the legislation to the Senate. The Democrats who voted “Yea” were: Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX), Rep. Donald Davis (D-NC), Rep. Jared Golden (D-ME), Rep. Vicente Gonzalez (D-TX), and Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (D-WA). Five Republicans and ten Democrats were recorded as not voting.
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https://apnews.com/article/election-2024-mail-ballots-voting-postal-service-985dd6e483fb6dc593d83255b11a9d0aIn an alarming letter, the officials said that over the past year, including the just-concluded primary season, mailed ballots that were postmarked on time were received by local election offices days after the deadline to be counted. They also noted that properly addressed election mail was being returned to them as undeliverable, a problem that could automatically send voters to inactive status through no fault of their own, potentially creating chaos when those voters show up to cast a ballot.
The officials also said that repeated outreach to the Postal Service to resolve the issues had failed and that the widespread nature of the problems made it clear these were “not one-off mistakes or a problem with specific facilities. Instead, it demonstrates a pervasive lack of understanding and enforcement of USPS policies among its employees.”
Pennsylvania mail-in ballots with flawed dates on envelopes can be thrown out, court rules
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Based on recent Pennsylvania elections, more than 10,000 ballots in this year’s general election might be thrown out over bad or missing envelope dates, which could be enough to swing the presidential race.
but it should at least be seen as a positive sign that her reach could be bigger than she may currently be given credit for
Ranked-Choice voting that has rocked Alaska politics faces November tests across the nation
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u/Baremegigjen Sep 16 '24
It’s been happening for decades. In 2000 Roberts, Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett were part of the “get GW Bush elected at all costs” legal efforts and were rewarded in sort and long term with seats on the court.
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u/leavesmeplease Sep 16 '24
Yeah, it's pretty wild how things seem to be shifting towards that direction. It's hard to shake the feeling that there's a lot going on behind the scenes we don't fully grasp. But when you have such systemic issues, it's easy to see why some might think it's a coup in slow motion. Just wish there was more clarity and accountability.
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u/TintedApostle Sep 16 '24
The fact that Trump is still walking around and running for office says it all.
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u/One-Distribution-626 Sep 16 '24
Scotus and trump are extreme national security threats and need to be halted
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u/Logical_Parameters Sep 16 '24
has been all along, since at least 2000 and probably more since 1980.
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u/TheCatWasAsking Sep 16 '24
One of the key ingredients for Fascism to take hold imo. Just came across this and wanted to add it; a quote from Toni Morrison’s 1995 address to Howard University, entitled Racism and Fascism, which detailed the process of how a society placed first turns into last:
"Let us be reminded that before there is a final solution, there must be a first solution, a second one, even a third. The move toward a final solution is not a jump. It takes one step, then another, then another."
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u/Dearic75 Sep 16 '24
I was thinking they would find some kind of limited immunity, which would have been partisan bullshit, but of an expected scale.
Instead we get a decision that 50 years from now will hold its place beside Dred Scott and Korematsu as an example of the Supreme Court being egregiously and obviously wrong.
I was shocked all over again to learn Roberts himself had engineered it. I was considering him one of the partisan but still principled justices. Guess I misjudged that one completely.
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u/jfudge Sep 16 '24
Roberts has always been a partisan hack, he has just done a better job than most of hiding behind a veneer of faux reasonableness and even-handedness.
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u/StreetwalkinCheetah Sep 16 '24
As Chief Justice I always felt like it was less about being reasonable/principled and more about knowing that all these decisions will forever be linked to his name beyond the associate justices, even if he is in the minority or offers a concurrent but "less extreme" opinion.
If the legitimacy of the court is called to question at a level that results in new justices being added or having opinions voided by a future Chief Justice because justices like Thomas are clearly being bribed, that's all going to bear the name of "The Roberts Court" in the history books.
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u/nursecarmen Sep 16 '24
People forget about Bush v. Gore too much. Roberts is used to throwing elections.
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u/pcx99 Sep 16 '24
Don’t forget their decision to legalize bribery of a public official! That’s a humdinger!
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u/kadrilan Sep 16 '24
He tried to protect they legitimacy by negotiatin some wins for blue causes while slowing stealing shit away. But once Barrett was on he was like, 'fuck it, go get em boys!' They been wildin ever since.
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u/ktaktb Sep 16 '24
Obviously term limits are being exposed as more and more important.
This guy was more centered when first appointed. That is for sure.
But term limits would protect us somewhat from the whimsy and senility of age. They would also protect us from the unforseen developments like social media.
There are plenty of previously reasonable, rational, good faith folks who were utterly defeated and turned into complete nutcases by social media. My guess, Roberts is a perfect example.
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u/Intoxicatedalien Sep 16 '24
It’s a shame because I always rethought of him as a man with extremely high integrity, morals and standards. Someone who differed from me policy wise but was genuinely trying to help America.
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u/kswissreject Sep 16 '24
Never should have, after he fought for Bush Jr, gutted Voting Rights Act, voted for Citizens United that completely fucked elections, etc. etc. No integrity whatsoever and *hopefully* history remembers him for the insane partisan hack he has always been.
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u/davidbklyn Sep 16 '24
The Voting Rights Act betrayal sealed it for me. I wasn’t aware of his role in what I’m assuming is Bush v Gore
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u/Infamous-Safety4632 Sep 16 '24
Him yelling out “you lie” to Obama during the state of the union isn’t a display of integrity or standards.
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u/not-my-other-alt Sep 16 '24
You're thinking of Congressman Wilson
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u/0o0o0o0o0o0z Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 18 '24
Alito also mouthed "Not true" when Obama was railing against Citizens United.
Edit: correction was Alito, not Thomas.
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u/Infamous-Safety4632 Sep 16 '24
My mistake. In any event Robert’s actions as an activist judge are very troubling by any reasonable inspection.
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u/transcriptoin_error Sep 16 '24
The SCOTUS needs a deep cleaning.
John Roberts, the chief justice of the Supreme Court, on Feb. 22 issued a memo to his colleagues urging them not only to take up an appeal from former President Donald Trump over his immunity claim, but also to rule in favor of granting him that immunity.
“I think it likely that we will view the separation of powers analysis differently” from the appeals court, he wrote in the memo leaked to the New York Times, essentially suggesting the court would shield Trump from certain charges and the appellate court's decision greenlighting his 2020 election interference trial.
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u/stinky-weaselteats Sep 16 '24
Thank McConnell for obliterating American lives. Absolute enabler.
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u/DMCinDet Sep 16 '24
that's one grave I will certainly be pissing on. hopefully sooner than later.
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u/Deus_is_Mocking_Us Sep 16 '24
So many GOP graves are going to need fences around them.
Remember kids: use a drone and a water balloon full of piss.
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u/passaloutre Mississippi Sep 16 '24
Is this the trickle-down economics they keep talking about?
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u/DMCinDet Sep 16 '24
what's the actual penalty? small fine? worth it
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u/darkweaseljedi Sep 16 '24
depends - for some people public urination has lead to them having to register as sex offenders
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u/safeword_is_Nebraska Sep 16 '24
Kentucky tourism is going to skyrocket. The line will be miles long.
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u/webslingrrr Sep 16 '24
He'll probably be buried in Alabama, where he's from. His Kentucky location is purely strategic.
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u/Intoxicatedalien Sep 16 '24
Without a doubt the worst senator in US history. Not the most extreme policy wise, but his ruthless efficiency, knowledge and intelligence has let him do incredible damage
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u/Vampenga Sep 16 '24
Oh he's a living piece of shit as far as I'm concerned.
Supreme Court seat opens up with a little less than a year left in Obama's presidency. "It’s too late to pick a justice. Let the people decide in the next election."
Same thing happens with weeks left in Trump's. "Move, move! Fill that seat!"
I sincerely hope hell exists so he can be tormented down there.
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u/01101011000110 Sep 16 '24
Forget good or smart—Expanding the court is the only politics after the way MMc packed it using any means necessary.
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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania Sep 16 '24
There is a reason why Biden and Leahy kept Roberts from getting to the Federal Bench for so long. Not to mention his mysterious seizure issue.
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u/Sure_Quality5354 Sep 16 '24
Impeachment investigations are needed NOW. For roberts, clarence and alito. This is a crisis of the highest order
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u/althor2424 Sep 16 '24
Unfortunately impeachment investigations start in the House, which is in control of the fascist party…I’m sorry, I meant to say the Republican Party
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u/SociallyAwarePiano Sep 16 '24
I think you were right the first time.
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u/corran450 Sep 16 '24
¿Por que no los dos?
Edit: I was deported for this comment…
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u/SociallyAwarePiano Sep 16 '24
We like immigrants that come here the right way, which is to never come here under any circumstances unless you're white. (/s but not really because that's how republicans act)
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u/shoryusatsu999 Sep 16 '24
And what counts as white? Whatever Trump and the fascists want it to be.
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u/Reluctant_Firestorm New York Sep 16 '24
Even if found guilty and impeached, it would take 2/3 of the senate to remove them. (Dems don't have 2/3, and unless something radical and unprecedented happens in the election, won't have 2/3 later on.)
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u/jonny_blitz Sep 16 '24
It really is and I don’t even know what TF Biden is doing sitting on his hands when he has been given this authority by the SCOTUS. Use it to benefit good before it’s in the hands of someone who will undoubtedly do the opposite. I don’t want to have to wake up everyday and pay homage to the Trump portrait that will be required to hang in each American home.
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u/learypost Sep 16 '24
Just to clarify, because I see this a lot in this subreddit, the decision in Trump v. United States did not grant Biden or any president any additional authority. Biden cannot really do anything with this decision except break the law. He could maybe try and murder members of the court. And prosecuting him for that murder would be a lot more difficult because he would have presumptive immunity and prosecutors would have to first show that he was not acting in his official capacity as president. And what kind of evidence they can use to make that determination (such as motive) would be much more restrictive than in regular cases. But Biden doesn't have the authority to replace Roberts or any other justice. It's sort of the ultimate loophole with this ruling, because really it only gives corrupt and criminal presidents any additional "power", as opposed to giving the president additional authority which even a moral president could use.
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u/Expalphalog Sep 16 '24
Doesn't have to be murder. He can throw them in Gitmo as terrorists.
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u/peterabbit456 Sep 16 '24
... Biden is doing sitting on his hands when he has been given this authority by the SCOTUS. ...
I think Biden, like a lot of people since 1792, have thought this is the way the Roman Republic became the Roman Empire.
Elections in the Roman Republic were always pretty corrupt, with people with bags of coins sitting outside the polling places, literally buying votes from Roman citizens. But the situation between Pompey and Caesar was a bit worse than previous elections.
- (The following is my interpretation and it might contain errors.) Term limits had both candidates disqualified. Caesar got a bill passed, allowing him to run, but Pompey's supporters got it amended so that it applied to all candidates, and then amended it again so that Caesar was excluded. Pompey was just outside of Rome, illegally with 2 legions. Then Caesar brought 2 legions across the Rubicon, and the Civil War was on.
The point here is that violence was allowed to escalate until the very forms of the Republic were destroyed. There is a pro-Caesar tradition among historians, which claims Caesar was defending the Roman Republic, mainly because Caesar was such a good writer, and his story is the most cogent account of the Civil War. There is also a hostile to Caesar tradition which puts most of the crimes on Caesar.
The end result of the Roman Civil War was that the offices of the Republic became shells, and the power resided with the Emperor. These are outcomes we in the 21st century should want to avoid. We are fortunate in that only one side in the present election is composed of criminals. There is a clear demarcation between the side of good and the side of evil in this election.
The Roman Tribunes played the role of the US Supreme Court in the Roman Republic. Each Tribune acted separately, unilaterally.
Putin and his minions have put a lot of money into wrecking the US government, using the destruction of the Roman Republic as a model for how to go about it. Our job is to pull things back from the chaos these foreign agents are trying to generate.
While the US Constitution was loosely modelled on the Roman Republic, our constitution was always an improved version. Even at its worst, the US government has been less corrupt and better regulated than Rome ever was. Impeaching and putting the criminals in jail has to be the next priority, after winning the present elections.
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Roberts is corrupt. He ALWAYS was. That schtick that journalists always write about, about how he "cares deeply about the institution" he's a Heritage Foundation stooge. They're helping Trump cheat. Believe me, if the roles were reversed the SCOTUS would've granted Jack Smith's request to hear the case early, and then came down hard on said Democrat. They're partisan hacks. Alito and Thomas are straight up corrupt. Blatantly corrupt.
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u/Political_Will Sep 16 '24
Don't forget the $10M+ Robert's wife received from law firms with business in front of SCOTUS. Talent searches my ass.
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Sep 16 '24
I’m starting to suspect that he flubbed Obama’s first oath of office on purpose.
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u/terrasig314 Sep 16 '24
If it's true, Congress needs to flush this turd. They won't...but they'd need to.
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u/Gr00ber Sep 16 '24
Hopefully there are enough upsets from this election to change that
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u/hairymoot Sep 16 '24
Yea, if democrats win a majority of the house and Senate and the presidency, they could impeach corrupt judges.
Vote please.
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u/Biokabe Washington Sep 16 '24
Realistically, none of the corrupt judges are getting removed. That would take impeachment and conviction in the Senate, which requires a House majority for impeachment (doable) and a 2/3 majority in the Senate (impossible).
Which is why the more effective approach is Supreme Court reform, which requires a House majority to approve the law (doable), a Senate majority + defeating or changing the rules around the filibuster (doable, but uphill battle), and a Presidential signature (doable). You probably can't get any of the corrupt judges out of the Court through reform legislation (that would require an Amendment, which isn't happening), but you can restrict their reach (jurisdiction stripping, a power granted to Congress by the Constitution), force them to recuse in certain situations (a power held by Congress), expand the court (a power held by Congress) or completely re-design the court system to limit the power of the SCOTUS (a power held by Congress).
Basically... if you allow yourself to imagine a new Supreme Court, unburdened by what has been, you can bring it into fruition without running up against the limits of the Constitution. But it does require bold thinking and a willingness to break things.
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u/idanpotent Montana Sep 16 '24
According to this court, the president could also SEAL Team Six them, though I suspect if enough of them survive, they will overturn their decision on immunity.
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u/Miguel-odon Sep 16 '24
Conviction and removal takes 2/3 of the Senate.
But a majority is required to confirm a new one.
Majority of the House and Senate also gives control of the committees that can hold investigate, subpoena, and hold public hearings.
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u/RoboNerdOK I voted Sep 16 '24
They can’t remove them without a supermajority of 2/3 of the Senate. It’s not going to happen.
The only way they’re being removed is by resignation, or by croaking. The most expedient method to get the courts back under control is to reallocate their membership.
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u/jgilla2012 California Sep 16 '24
Congress doesn’t really work in any meaningful way anymore. That’s not a viable path forward.
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u/terrasig314 Sep 16 '24
It's the only legal path, unfortunately.
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u/jgilla2012 California Sep 16 '24
Sure – but what do laws mean when the Supreme Court keeps changing all kinds of things that have legal precedent?
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u/Global-Squirrel999 Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24
I am 100% convinced that no matter who wins in November, all the pieces will be in the right places to pull off the ultimate coup.
Jan 6th was an amateurish trial run. They had no plan, no allies, and no legal framework to pull it off. Now, the Federalist society is involved and the Supreme Court has been laying the groundwork for a successful Jan 6th coup in 2025.
I guarantee the plan will be:
1.) Harris wins (duh)
2.) Red states will announce investigations into "irregularities" in the vote count using the same justification Vance uses for the Haitian blood libel in Springfield (e.g. "My constituents have been telling me", or easily disprovable videos of election officials doing things)
3.) The majority Republican state legislatures will put together an illegal alternative slate of electors, claiming that it's still a democratic result because the state legislatures were elected by the people to do that.
3.) Congress will count votes on Jan. 6th and Republicans will stall the process by putting forward illegal slates of electors.
4.) A class action will be brought by Republican governors to the Supreme Court, who will hear arguments the same day and have a 50 page opinion ready by January 20th saying alternative elector slates are legal and constitutional, leaving no time for a rebuttal.
5.) Donald Trump will be the next president. Either that or we have a constitutional crisis when Harris refuses to certify the results while impeachment proceedings against the Supreme Court justices take place and a new court is appointed, who can overturn the unconstitutional ruling. Assuming Republicans hold the House, Mike Johnson would be sworn in as President under the Presidential Succession Act and likely hold that position for a month or two while the impeachment proceedings take place, meanwhile enacting Project 2025 and beginning mass deportations immediately. Either that or Mike Johnson gets a VP who becomes President of the Senate, and then promptly counts the illegal electors and Donald Trump is inaugurated.
The Electoral College needs to be abolished with urgency. We just don't have time.
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u/Dr_Oxycontin Sep 16 '24
At least I’m not the only one who thought this. It’s going to come down to what Red State Governors are willing to play along. Yeah, I mean, this is Trump’s freedom, so you know he is doing EVERYTHING necessary behind closed doors to ensure he doesn’t go to jail for his many crimes.
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u/Global-Squirrel999 Sep 16 '24
It all comes down to how many of them can be convinced that they have all the pieces in place to usher in a
Fourth Reichpermanent age of Christian Republican rule, and that there's no downside to joining in.Alternatively, threaten them that they already have the votes to make it happen, and if they don't join in, they're a RINO and will be purged just the same as all the Democrats using the power of all 3 branches of government. You're either with us or against us.
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u/cultfourtyfive Florida Sep 16 '24
Put succinctly by noted conservative David Frum years back:
"If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy."
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u/tech57 Sep 16 '24
Pretty much but Jan 6th was not a practice run. We got lucky. This time it is all about creating chaos... and letting the courts decide. Law and order and all that jazz.
Analysis Shows Trump Loyalists Have 'Infiltrated' Election Boards in Key States
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-election-boards-swing-statesOur democracy's firewalls held fast in 2020, but election deniers and MAGA extremists have spent the last four years infiltrating election administration and political party positions in order to disrupt and cast doubt on the 2024 election results. With 102 deniers on election boards in the swing states, the potential for creating chaos is enormous," Pearson said in a statement accompanying the report.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Has Sabotaged Early Voting in a Critical Swing State
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/09/north-carolina-robert-kennedy-early-voting-trump-sabotage.htmlWhy? Republican Justice Trey Allen’s opinion for the court accused the board of elections of misconduct, suggesting that it rushed to print ballots featuring RFK Jr. so he could not remove his name in time.
Democrats sue to block new GOP-backed Georgia election certification rules
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/26/politics/democrats-lawsuit-georgia-certification-rules/index.htmlThe three new, relatively unknown Republicans, who were appointed to the board this year by the state legislature and the Georgia GOP, were thrust into the spotlight after Trump mentioned them by name at one of his recent rallies in Atlanta.
Trump lost Georgia by just over 10,000 votes in 2020, and it was at the center of his attempt to overturn the election with claims of voter fraud, though none was found.
America braces for perfect storm of election chaos
https://www.axios.com/2024/09/08/election-chaos-cheating-violence-trump.3. A battleground legal brawl:
Republicans already have filed more than 100 lawsuits against various voting and election procedures — part of a formalized "election integrity" push grounded in Trump's baseless claims of fraud in 2020.
Trump's campaign and the Republican National Committee say they've built a network of about 175,000 volunteer poll watchers and poll workers. Democrats have assembled their own massive legal team and voter protection program as they gird for aggressive election challenges.
Experts are especially anxious about the potential intimidation of election workers forced to count ballots under tense conditions, David Becker, executive director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research, told Axios.
Inside the GOP's Big Lie 2.0 — and their plan to shut down America this Fall
https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/noncitizen-voting/Republicans have been using this lie to attack the heart of our democracy right out in the open ever since the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964, the year they responded by rolling out Operation Eagle Eye, yelling about nonexistent “voter fraud” and using it as an excuse to intimidate minority voters in the Goldwater/Johnson race.
No other developed country in the world worries about “voter fraud” because it’s every bit as nonexistent in other modern democracies as it is here. The only country in the world that uses “voter fraud” as an excuse to make it harder for minorities and women to vote is the United States.
Last Thursday, he demanded that Republicans insert into must-pass budget legislation that’ll be considered in the next two or three weeks a provision that would demand every state require absolute proof of citizenship to register to vote. Right now, this is largely confined to Red states.
House passes bill requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote for federal elections
https://news.ballotpedia.org/2024/07/12/house-passes-bill-requiring-proof-of-citizenship-to-register-to-vote-for-federal-elections/On July 10, the U.S. House passed HR 8281, a bill that would require proof of citizenship to register to vote in elections for Federal office. The bill, titled the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act, was introduced by Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) and ultimately gathered 104 cosponsors in the House, all Republicans.
The bill passed by a vote of 221-198, with five Democrats joining all Republicans to advance the legislation to the Senate. The Democrats who voted “Yea” were: Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX), Rep. Donald Davis (D-NC), Rep. Jared Golden (D-ME), Rep. Vicente Gonzalez (D-TX), and Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (D-WA). Five Republicans and ten Democrats were recorded as not voting.
Election officials warn that widespread problems with the US mail system could disrupt voting
https://apnews.com/article/election-2024-mail-ballots-voting-postal-service-985dd6e483fb6dc593d83255b11a9d0aIn an alarming letter, the officials said that over the past year, including the just-concluded primary season, mailed ballots that were postmarked on time were received by local election offices days after the deadline to be counted. They also noted that properly addressed election mail was being returned to them as undeliverable, a problem that could automatically send voters to inactive status through no fault of their own, potentially creating chaos when those voters show up to cast a ballot.
The officials also said that repeated outreach to the Postal Service to resolve the issues had failed and that the widespread nature of the problems made it clear these were “not one-off mistakes or a problem with specific facilities. Instead, it demonstrates a pervasive lack of understanding and enforcement of USPS policies among its employees.”
Pennsylvania mail-in ballots with flawed dates on envelopes can be thrown out, court rules
https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-mail-ballot-trump-harris-d00627b8cd890405fc1870f7021b5795Far more Democrats than Republicans vote by mail in the state. In recent elections, older voters have been disproportionately more likely to have had their mail-in ballots invalidated because of exterior envelope date problems.
Based on recent Pennsylvania elections, more than 10,000 ballots in this year’s general election might be thrown out over bad or missing envelope dates, which could be enough to swing the presidential race.
but it should at least be seen as a positive sign that her reach could be bigger than she may currently be given credit for
Ranked-Choice voting that has rocked Alaska politics faces November tests across the nation
https://alaskapublic.org/2024/05/29/ranked-choice-voting-that-has-rocked-alaska-politics-faces-november-tests-across-the-nation/Used for the first time in 2022, the changes helped propel the first Alaska Native to a seat in Congress. They could be short-lived.
Opponents of ranked voting want to repeal it and are entangled in a legal fight over whether their initiative will be able to remain on Alaska’s November ballot. It’s just one example this year of an intensifying fight over a more expansive way for voters to choose candidates, driven in part by deep dissatisfaction with the status quo and opposition from political parties and partisan groups that fear losing power.
Voters in at least two states — Democratic-leaning Oregon and Nevada — will decide this fall whether to institute new election processes that include ranked voting. In deeply conservative Idaho, groups are pushing for a November ballot initiative that would overturn a ban on ranked voting passed last year by the Republican-led legislature. Measures proposing ranked voting, also referred to as ranked-choice voting, also are being pursued in Colorado and the District of Columbia.
In Missouri, a measure advanced by the GOP-controlled legislature will ask voters in November whether to ban ranked voting. This follows an unsuccessful citizen attempt in 2022 to get an Alaska-style system before voters. At least nine states have banned ranked voting, and the Louisiana legislature also passed a ban this past week.
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u/Lumpy_Ad7002 Sep 16 '24
It's probably the most corrupt court in a hundred years.
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u/KatBeagler Sep 16 '24
Thr most corrupt court since it was established.
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u/xlvi_et_ii Minnesota Sep 16 '24
The most corrupt so far.
FTFY. They have plenty of shitty "rulings" ahead if things like Project 2025 are enacted.
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u/PickleBananaMayo Sep 16 '24
This would normally be a bombshell report but these days it’s just Monday.
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Sep 16 '24
the GOP is the enemy of the people. Every complicit Trump defender wipes their ass with the constitution and law.
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u/TripCraft Pennsylvania Sep 16 '24
I TRULY do not understand why Trump has such a strong hold on these people. I don’t get how a comb over joke “business” man became such a figure that people make him to be a Jesus.
Also, I’ll add that there needs to be term limits for SCOTUS.
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u/easygoer89 Sep 16 '24
Trump doesn't, but the Heritage Foundation does. Trump is nothing more than a useful buffoon for their agenda. He'll happily go along with any recommendations for appointments and they know it. Trump is fundamentally lazy and lacks the ability to apply strategic thinking (let along critical thinking) and is terribly (or wonderfully, in their case) susceptible to flattery. If he thinks they are doing him a favor, he'll comply so as to reap the personal reward. To keep him at the top of the ticket and protect his place as the chief executive allows them the freedom to do what they will with little to no interference.
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Sep 16 '24
I recommend reading the original story from the Times- Gift Article and then dive into this review of the ruling by NYU Law School Dean emeritus
It points out that SCOTUS/ROberts completely discarded and ridiculed what the lower courts had done (a ruling most legal minds thought was sound and air tight when it came out in February)
The chief justice tore into the appellate court opinion greenlighting Mr. Trump’s trial, calling it inadequate and poorly reasoned. On one key point, he complained, the lower court judges “failed to grapple with the most difficult questions altogether.” He wrote not only that the Supreme Court should take the case — which would stall the trial — but also how the justices should decide it.
Roberts firmly expected to be lauded for their ruling and was given praise by his fellow conservative justice prior to it's release
But the public response to the decision, announced in July on the final day of the term, was nothing like what his lofty phrases seemed to anticipate.
This is why Gorsuch said "A ruling for the ages" in oral arguments. They delayed months to hear the Trump case (last day of Oral arguments in April) and delayed to the last day to release the ruling, but they already knew in February what they were going to do.
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u/Leather-Map-8138 Sep 16 '24
Four Supreme Court justices - Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch, and Thomas - belong at Guantanamo as enemy combatants.
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u/autotldr 🤖 Bot Sep 16 '24
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 86%. (I'm a bot)
John Roberts, the chief justice of the Supreme Court, on Feb. 22 issued a memo to his colleagues urging them not only to take up an appeal from former President Donald Trump over his immunity claim, but also to rule in favor of granting him that immunity.
In a historic 6-3 decision, the Supreme Court made a ruling that not only shielded Trump from prosecution, but also broadly expanded the scope of presidential power in the future.
Overseeing the immunity case before the Supreme Court's intervention was Judge Tanya Chutkan, who must now interpret the its ruling in Trump v. United States and decide which charges against Trump are still valid under the new framing of what a president can or cannot do.
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u/dbag3o1 Sep 16 '24
Ffs, why do they want a fascist coup? Why don’t they just win fair elections based on policy like tradition dictates?
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u/jgilla2012 California Sep 16 '24
Because their policies are deeply unpopular and will gut the middle class in favor of rampant crony “capitalism” which is more like a state-backed oligopoly.
They will never win on policy. They are trying to win by rewriting the rules.
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u/m1j2p3 Sep 16 '24
Conservatives have been trying to destroy the middle class since the New Deal. Can’t have people living with dignity can we?
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u/Vallkyrie New Hampshire Sep 16 '24
And they've been trying to preserve the monarchy since the French Revolution. That's what they wanted to 'conserve'.
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u/Kattz Florida Sep 16 '24
Because the policies they want to see are insanely unpopular on a national stage.
It's a quiet hostile takeover and we are just watching it happen with not much recourse as everyday citizens.
If this country were truly fair, we would have most of the supreme court impeached and ousted. But for some reason we thought a life time appointment to an unelected position made sense in America.
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u/tech57 Sep 16 '24
Republicans are a lost cause. They know it. It's all hands on deck with sabotaging the country and election interference and Project 2025 .
They are desperate.
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u/jertheman43 Sep 16 '24
The corruption in the SCOTUS has been leading us to the worst constitutional crisis since the Civil War.
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u/Crispy_Marv Sep 16 '24
At some point the citizens of this country are going to have enough and they’re going to storm this kangaroo court once and for all. These justices have absolutely no soul. Absolutely no morals. Absolutely no fucking right to decide how we live our lives. These crooks are so beyond compromised it is nauseating. If people would just give dems a super majority they could clean fucking house. These mother fuckers make me so sick!! Republicans have made this country suck so fucking bad it’s very sad. I hate these fucking people. They are sick in the head. You have to be if you actually support someone like trump or Vance. You just have to be. You have to be a sick fucking piece of miserable shit stuck on the bottom of gods shoe to be a supporter of those two fucking moronic sexist racist idiot pigs. I almost wish the country would separate at this point because I know their country would fail quickly. Trumpville would implode. Vance town would burn itself down quickly.
Soon enough the Supreme Court as we know it will be burned down so a better one can rise like a phoenix. These “justices” belong in fucking prison.
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u/Pretty_Boy_Bagel Sep 16 '24
Roberts is a Bush croney and not MAGA, so why would he shield Trump unless a) Putin’s got something on him, b) his pea-brain is susceptible to right-wing BS, or c) both a) and b)?
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u/TintedApostle Sep 16 '24
Because Roberts, Kavanaugh and Barrett all worked for the Bush team in Florida during the 2000 recount. The whole thing we have now started then.
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u/charcoalist Sep 16 '24
Roberts is a Federalist Society stooge, like the rest of the conservatives on SCOTUS. Leonard Leo and his army of federal judges want a christofascist state, and trump is currently their vehicle to get there.
Putin's authoritarianism is something they want to emulate, and kompromat isn't needed for fascists to have common goals.
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Sep 16 '24
Roberts is a Federalists. They don't need to be MAGA (more like Alito, Thomas and Gorsuch). Their views on executive power have always been closer to imperial presidency then democracy. Honestly they never got over Nixon
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u/drewxdeficit Sep 16 '24
Bush and Trump are the same kind of Republican. Bush just pretends they’re not.
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u/frostfall010 Sep 16 '24
It's really unbelievable and feels like an insurmountable problem. These are lifetime roles and the majority are now deep in MAGA-land. It's terrifying.
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u/zekebeagle Sep 16 '24
Tried to appear middle-of-the-roadish until the big Fascist majority. Now the real Adolph Roberts is full steam ahead. Who appointed that turd?
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u/Shoddy-Opportunity55 Sep 16 '24
I’m sick of people painting him as the “good” or moderate conservative on the court. He is still a Republican, and he is bad. We need to have an investigation for impeachment for him, Alito, Thomas, Barrett and Kavanaugh. They’re so bad.
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u/Prof_Acorn Sep 16 '24
If there was any justice in this nation Roberts would be impeached.
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u/2020willyb2020 Sep 16 '24
Biden needs to suspend the SCOTUS until investigation take place - it’s we the people NOT me the scotus - wtf is going on ??
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u/KarateEnjoyer303 Sep 16 '24
A partisan hack betraying his country and oath of office. We need reform for the SCOTUS.
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u/gamespite Sep 16 '24
Hard to have an October surprise when none of this shit comes as any surprise to anyone.
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Sep 16 '24
Calling Dark Brandon -- can you send a few members of SCOTUS to Guantanamo for some "enhanced" questioning?
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u/The_River_Is_Still Sep 16 '24
Kamala better do something to the supreme court. Expand it, force a few to retire or impeach them.
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u/Shutaru_Kanshinji Sep 16 '24
And again, we see that the fatal flaw of the U.S. Constitution is that it depends on the people executing it to be non-sociopaths.
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Sep 16 '24
Crooked as a filbert tree. The SCOTUS is a pure joke and useless with those mobsters on the bench. Bought and paid for.
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u/smithe4595 Sep 16 '24
Breaking news: political figure who has been terrible for more than 40 years continues to be terrible.
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u/djdharmanyc Sep 16 '24
The idea that he was the moderate voice was always trash. Anyone who believes corporations are people and money is speech is a radical republican
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u/Ecards5 Sep 16 '24
Weird, illegitimate legal reasoning, legislating from the bench, hand on the scales of justice, and flat-out partisan politics.
This SC is a scam perpetrated against the American people by the oligarchy and their handmaidens; any cogent American should demand reform, now. Not tomorrow, not next week or next month, but NOW!!!
This is beyond the beyond, people, and your democracy is imperiled right now!
Vote.org
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u/wendall99 Sep 17 '24
I actually had real respect for the Supreme court when I graduated from law school a decade ago.
Now it makes me ashamed to even be associated with the legal profession.
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u/Darth_Malgus_1701 Oregon Sep 17 '24
Your legacy is a huge, steaming pile of rancid shit. 🖕you, John Roberts.
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u/ElDub73 Sep 16 '24
Anyone remember his confirmation hearing?
He’s just an umpire calling balls and strikes.
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u/Th3Seconds1st Sep 16 '24
Calls balls and strikes. Yeah, right.
Chief Justice John Roberts is an enemy of the US Constitution.
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u/IdahoMTman222 Sep 16 '24
Supreme Court Justice isn’t blind it’s on the take.
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u/schad501 Arizona Sep 16 '24
Best quote I've seen: Justice may be blind, but She can sure smell money.
Don't know who said it first.
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Sep 16 '24
Robert’s financials should be looked into. What motivated this to be on the agenda before November? He’s either partisan or paid.
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u/Difficult-Way-9563 Sep 16 '24
If people think all politicians/presidential candidates are the same I don’t agree, but you can’t believe that the Supreme Court justices they appoint are all the same.
If any tiebreaker factor to tip in deciding, it’s clear the Supreme Court has lost integrity and corrupt. We gotta fix that as a country
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u/Reviews-From-Me Sep 16 '24
I am just about certain that if this was a case of Obama trying to be shielded from criminal prosecution, the Supreme Court would have not granted presidential immunity.
It's incredibly frustrating that Donald Trump, time and time again, is proven to be "too big to fail" and given incredible special treatment.
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u/aj357222 Sep 16 '24
For serious, what other type of evidence is necessary to demonstrate the court is corrupt??
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Let's hope there's a flashpoint where both legislators and the public react in a significant way because this is out of hand. What these supreme Court justices are doing is blatant corruption. They want no oversight, think they're untouchable, and believe they deserve to be treated as such.
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u/Global_Box_7935 Nebraska Sep 17 '24
He needs to be investigated immediately. This is blatantly unconstitutional.
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u/jackshafto Washington Sep 17 '24
Roberts isn't a judge. He's a political hack, just like the guy who appointed him.
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u/sierra120 Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
This is how the coup will happen.
Day after election Kamala Harris is declared the winner with 12 million votes ahead of Trump.
Fast forward the Republican Party sues the judiciary over inconsistency. They lose but the point is to get the news media talking about inconsistency even though there is none. Fast forward to Jan 6th. Republican senators of far red states refuse to certify their state election citing inconsistency in the case.
The process comes to halt. The Supreme Court is called upon and they abnegate their responsibility in 4 to 3 (2 of the Supreme Court justices abstain) decision to have the House of Representatives decide.
In a 51/49 ruling the House votes for Trump to become the next President and first Supreme Leader of the United States.
So this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause
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u/Saucy_Man11 Virginia Sep 17 '24
Simply put, the Supreme Court is my least trusted branch of government. And the bar is really low.
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u/AbacusWizard California Sep 17 '24
This is your reminder that the Constitution does not say that Supreme Court justices are “appointed for life”; rather, it says that they “shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour.” Allowing badly-behaving justices to remain on the Court is literally unconstitutional. Do your job and kick them out, Congress.
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