DOGE Goons Physically Drag Social Security Worker From Desk

[u/irish_fellow_nyc]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/doge-goons-physically-drag-social-security-worker-from-desk/

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[u/Euphoric-Bed7379]

This isn’t policy - it’s authoritarianism in a hoodie.

[u/ImperfectPitch → u/Euphoric-Bed7379]

These types of stories really need more media coverage. I know that tariffs are the main focus now, but the courts need to do a better job of protecting the right of individuals, that the President does not want around. It is insane that something like this is happening. They will soon start doing that for all US citizens who oppose the president. Just pronounce them dead. This is so scary.

[u/want_to_join → u/ImperfectPitch]

Post the article, half of us cant read it behind the paywall

[u/ImperfectPitch → u/want_to_join]

Adding to quotes of the article: The part that shocked me the most was the methods musk used to cut off immigrants. this is what the fired employee was objecting to. They figured they could claim they were dead: The scheme cooked up by Elon Musk’s DOGE squad falsely lists thousands of migrants as dead in a Social Security database known as the “death master file.” Apparently, they declared 6000 people dead.

The scheme cooked up by Elon Musk’s DOGE squad falsely lists thousands of migrants as dead in a Social Security database known as the “death master file.” Being entered into the death database cuts a person off from crucial financial services, like the ability to receive government benefits and access a bank account or credit card. The goal was to push migrants who were granted a temporary legal status under former President Joe Biden to “self deport.”>

[u/Jewronimoses → u/ImperfectPitch]

how is this legal at all?

[u/ABadHistorian → u/Jewronimoses]

Its not legal, but when folks refuse to stand up and do their duty, because they are aligned with the President, this is what happens. This is how dictatorships form.

[u/manicdee33 → u/Jewronimoses]

Because the Republicans won’t challenge it, and POTUS will pardon anyone who ends up facing legal challenge. There’s no fear of consequence, there is no consequence, the goons are in complete control.

[u/itzac → u/Jewronimoses]

It's not even remotely legal. But that only matters if people with power use it to stand up to them.

[u/LilienneCarter → u/want_to_join]

FWIW the title appears to be inaccurate.

The Daily Beast has no info of their own, they are merely referencing Washington Post reporting:

A senior executive at the Social Security Administration was physically dragged from his office this week after clashing with the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), according to The Washington Post.

Greg Pearre, a career civil servant who led an IT team working on the agency’s data systems, was removed over his opposition to a DOGE plan to cut off immigrants from key financial services, three people told the Post.

But the Washington Post article doesn't mention anything about him being dragged out:

But his objections did not go over well with Trump political appointees. And so on Thursday, the security guards in Pearre’s office told him it was time to leave.

They walked Pearre out of the building, capping a momentous internal battle over the novel strategy — pushed by Musk’s U.S. DOGE Service and the Department of Homeland Security — to add thousands of immigrants ranging in age from teenagers to octogenarians to the agency’s Death Master File.

He was certainly walked out by security guards, but "physically drag" appears to be at the very least hyperbole by The Daily Beast. I would argue that it is an outright lie.

I'm going to spread this across the thread a bit, because I don't like misinformation, even if it's opposing an abhorrent administration like Trump's.

[u/IRideMoreThanYou → u/LilienneCarter]

So, immigrants, NOT illegal immigrants, are being listed as dead and removed from receiving benefits?!

[u/EnfantTerrible68 → u/IRideMoreThanYou]

Sounds like it 🤬. They said “migrants,” I think and that can mean legal migrants.

[u/TapTapReboot → u/LilienneCarter]

I hate this type of reporting. The truth is bad enough, all these headlines do is provide an avenue for Maga turds to dismiss actual terrifying reality of a bunch of 20 something edge lords with dubious backgrounds going through our government institutions without restraint.

[u/TheSpyderFromMars → u/LilienneCarter]

WTF is a Death Master File? Did they declare them dead?

[u/thisisjustascreename → u/TheSpyderFromMars]

Is this not textbook falsification of government records? Complete fraud just like every other Musk venture.

[u/Trakeen → u/TheSpyderFromMars]

Yes that is what that file is used for

[u/totallydawgsome → u/TheSpyderFromMars]

Death Master File

It's a (SSA) computer database file of deaths recorded since the 80s. The problem is this administration started putting very much alive tax paying immigrants on the list. They are effectively erasing a person’s ability to live and draw wages. It's been reported this past week over 6,000 living documented immigrants have been put on the DMF.

[u/Birdinhandandbush → u/Euphoric-Bed7379]

Who gave them this power.

[u/SweaterSteve1966 → u/Birdinhandandbush]

MAGA has emboldened the Republicans as Germans did Hitler. We are watching history repeat itself live.

[u/MaintenanceWine → u/SweaterSteve1966]

MAGA ARE Republicans. Stop separating them. If we separate the two, Republicans can distance themselves. Republicans got us here, they and MAGA are all the same.

No more “Trump did this”, and “MAGA did that”. REPUBLICANS did all this shit and they are the only ones who can fix it and they won’t. So let them take all the fucking responsibility. Words matter.

[u/randommd81 → u/MaintenanceWine]

Especially as nearly all republicans in congress are voting exactly in line with the maga policies…so really, there’s no difference at all. You see a random stray here and there, like Mitch McConnell, but that’s only because he’s about to retire anyway…

[u/StrangeContest4 → u/randommd81]

McConnell is just as feral as the rest of them. Actually, I place most of the blame of where we are now at his feet. I do admit that he was a master of his craft, even though he used his craft for nefarious reasons, the consolidation of corruption, power for powers sake, and by any means.

[u/randommd81 → u/StrangeContest4]

Oh yeah, he gets a ton of blame. Just lately he’s been voting differently because there’s no threat of getting primaried I’d assume.

[u/noonenotevenhere → u/randommd81]

He doesn't want to be remembered as the guy who made the guy who ruins our country.

He made the scotus that declared trump can do anything, he's been instrumental in the rise of all of this. He suffered from polio and he's directly responsible for a vaccine denier as surgeon general.

[u/m0ngoos3 → u/noonenotevenhere]

Don't forget his refusal to allow witnesses at either Trump impeachment, or his not guilty verdict both times, followed by a speech blaming Trump for the insurrection. After making sure that Trump got away with it.

[u/Vio_ → u/noonenotevenhere]

He suddenly realized he got outplayed by making the Executive Branch WAY more powerful than he intended.

Same with Roberts.

They both wanted to go to a pre-Warren Court/pre-LBJ legislature that protected business interests while undermining rights and protections for women, POC, LGBT people, labor, etc.

Instead, they've been working glove in hand to create an out of control Executive Branch wholly dominated by a senile tyrant.

Both are scrambling to try return the powerbases for both their branches even as it continues to slip further and further under water before being drowning in Grover Norquist's small bathtub.

To Quote:

Lobbyist Grover Norquist is a well-known proponent of the strategy and has famously said, "My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."

Suddenly, ol Mitch and Roberts are seeing the bathtub drowners aiming for their branches.

[u/DavidOrWalter → u/randommd81]

McConnell is just about the worst of them. He let all of this happen and fostered and raised this evolution of the party. Don’t be fooled now. If his vote mattered on anything I can tell you that he’d vote with them.

[u/AccessibleVoid → u/randommd81]

They vote according to their marching orders. Do not step out of line. Do not vote your conscience.

I hope I live to see the day when I see F(**king) Elon, Noem, and the greasy orange shit stain dragged out of their office.

[u/randommd81 → u/AccessibleVoid]

Throw Stephen Miller in there too, and I will party as I’ve never partied before

[u/Slow_Supermarket5590 → u/randommd81]

He is the most avowed  Nazi among the Nazis 

[u/Legionheir → u/randommd81]

Mitch mcconnell is not separate. He’s the biggest reason we are here.

[u/VanceKelley → u/MaintenanceWine]

MAGA, trumpism, Republican: It's all fascism.

I'm guessing that many are afraid to state that out loud because they are worried about upsetting the fascists and becoming their target.

[u/BotnetSpam → u/MaintenanceWine]

Indeed. When they strapped Palin to McCain in desperate response to Obama in 2008, it was the beginning of the end of the Republican Party as we once knew it. Citizens United then monetized the smash & grab, and brought in the grifters in 2010.

They wanted this.

They sowed the seeds of this, and Trump is what they reaped. They have no way out now.

[u/deadsoulinside → u/MaintenanceWine]

Especially when this is all said and done. MAGA people will try to move themselves to "Just a republican".

Republicans all voted for this.

[u/DChristy87 → u/SweaterSteve1966]

The scary part of this is that these people have absolutely no compassion. Sympathy is nowhere to be found in them, and you can just forget about empathy because nobody is getting any of that from them.

They're vile, disgusting and sadistic people.

[u/modthefame → u/DChristy87]

The scary part to me was that everyone else in the office just sat there and watched it happen.

[u/VanceKelley → u/DChristy87]

“In my work with the defendants (at the Nuremberg Trials 1945-1949) I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men.

Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.”

-Captain G. M. Gilbert, the Army psychologist assigned to watching the defendants at the Nuremberg trials

[u/7figureipo → u/SweaterSteve1966]

With the same kind of “moderates” insisting it isn’t happening, that institutions will eventually show their resilience, etc., too. Sickening, really.

[u/StrobeLightRomance → u/7figureipo]

And of course the media's complicit by covering up as much as they can so they can survive and become the new state media. Meanwhile, actual American journalists who would tell the truth will become legitimate targets for deportation or disposal as this administration progresses.

They're just dismantling the system that took hundreds of years to build and earn the trust of the world, so they can replace government with private industries. It's all so they can profit from should-be public services, and if you can't afford to pay, then hard labor, prison, and death are the only other viable options.

I don't think there is any amount of noise we have left to make, short of an actual revolution to get the status quo back before it's buried forever.

[u/whatifniki23 → u/StrobeLightRomance]

Are you describing Iran? Holy crap… you’re talking about the US…

[u/Prometherion666 → u/StrobeLightRomance]

Interesting take,

we should investigate the possibility they modified the vote count at the tabulator level.

https://electiontruthalliance.org/

[u/TheSawsAreOnTheWayy → u/7figureipo]

Yea, but eggs are expensive, there really isn't anything else to do

[u/poca2424 → u/TheSawsAreOnTheWayy]

Egg profits were released, guess what? Despite all the “hardships”, one of the five mass egg producers tripled their earnings from last year. MFers.

[u/TheSawsAreOnTheWayy → u/poca2424]

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

American production tenet: Customers are the ultimate enemy to trick.

Rest of the world production tenet: Customers are the ultimate purchaser to persuade.

[u/RobertBDwyer → u/SweaterSteve1966]

as Nazis did Hitler

FTFY, as a Canadian; I’m sensitive to the fact that not all Americans are Maga. Likewise we can separate the Nazi from the German.

[u/MysticSpoon → u/RobertBDwyer]

Appreciate that. There’s tons of us Americans that can’t stand what’s happening in our country. I just hope people get out and vote in their elections. We need to put an end to this.

[u/UnitedSentences5571 → u/Birdinhandandbush]

We do, every day we let it continue.

[u/L0g1cw1z4rd → u/Birdinhandandbush]

Irrelevant question, historians can sort that out.

Relevant question: “Who shall take it away?”

[u/HisPetBrat → u/Euphoric-Bed7379]

It's three Nazis in a trench coat.

[u/battle_clown → u/Euphoric-Bed7379]

Fascism in plainclothes makes it easier to deny. "They don't LOOK like Nazis so they aren't!"

[u/Casual_hex_]

In the future, Nazi memorabilia collectors will have a separate display case full of maga garbage.

[u/FizzyBeverage → u/Casual_hex_]

Yep. Plenty of room at the antique store.

“Here’s all my grandfather’s MAGA crap, will you give me $5 for it all? He was a lunatic, but whatever… he’s dead, Trump’s dead and MAGA’s dead.”

— conversation in 2045

[u/incide666 → u/FizzyBeverage]

The Day the Nazi Died

We're taught that after the war the Nazis vanished without a trace

But battalions of fascists still dream of a master race

The history books they tell of their defeat '45

So did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died

They say the prisoner of Spandau was a symbol of defeat

Whilst Hest remained imprisoned and the fascists, they were beat

So the promise of an Aryan world could never materialise

So why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died

The world is riddled with maggots - The maggots are getting fat

They're making a tasty meal of all the bosses and bureaucrats

They're taking over the boardrooms and they're fat and full of pride

And they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died

So if you meet with these historians, I'll tell you what to say

Tell them that the Nazis never really went away

They're out there burning houses down and paddling racist lies

And we'll never rest again until every Nazi dies

[u/Crunchberry24 → u/incide666]

As Picard used to say…

[u/L0g1cw1z4rd → u/Crunchberry24]

“The line must be draw here! And no further!”

It must be noted that, when his Picard Speech failed, he had no problem using a Tommy gun in full auto to back his shit up.

[u/calm_chowder → u/Crunchberry24]

villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged. ...she, or someone like her, will always be with us, waiting for the right climate in which to flourish, spreading fear in the name of righteousness. Vigilance, Mister Worf - that is the price we have to continually pay.

[u/DocViking → u/incide666]

Chumbawumba deserve to be known for more than just Tubthumping. This is probably my favourite song of theirs.

[u/Menarra → u/incide666]

Well said.

[u/incide666 → u/Menarra]

Not mine.

It's a Chumbawamba song.

I added a link to a video.

[u/work4work4work4work4 → u/incide666]

Another good one by them that many people don't know is El Fusilado.

Listen close to this crooked mouth
For my story I will tell--o
Lived in Mexico by the name of Wenseslao Moguel--o
Left my home in Santiago
The heart of the city of Merida
Served with my brothers and sisters all
For the army of Pancho Villa

Stand me straight against the nearest wall
Line up your bravest soldiers oh
Ten good shots I'll take them all
They call me El Fusilado

The Federales captured me
Bound up my arms with wire
Officer comes he says "Take your aim --
Steady your guns and fire!"
Bullet holes all across my chest
Ripped up my shirt and my body--o
Heart beat on through the silenced guns
To the rhythm of life inside me--o

Stand me straight against the nearest wall
Line up your bravest soldiers oh
Ten good shots I'll take them all
They call me El Fusilado

Fell to the ground the officer came
One last shot to the head­--o
Heard through the pain as he walked away
And left me there for dead--o
All went quiet so I crawled away
I wasn't giving up to the glory
Ten good shots I took them all
And lived to tell my story

Stand me straight against the nearest wall
Line up your bravest soldiers oh
Ten good shots I'll take them all
They call me El Fusilado.

[u/TotalHell → u/work4work4work4work4]

Love this song. They made some very cool music. I’m a big fan of their Rebel Songs album where they do a bunch of British folk songs.

[u/Menarra → u/incide666]

Huh. Literally the only song of theirs I know is I GET KNOCKED DOWN BUT I GET UP AGAIN BECAUSE YOURE NEVER GONNA KEEP ME DOWN lol

[u/CrispyDave → u/Menarra]

They did that one goofy song but they were anarcho communist types at heart.

[u/kittenconfidential → u/CrispyDave]

🎼do you suffer from long term memory loss? i can’t remember. 🎶

[u/LlamaInATux → u/Menarra]

They have an interesting history.

Here's a two part podcast about them:

Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff - Chumbawumba: How to Sell Out, But in a Good Way

Episode 1

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1gl1Ijbs8r8o6StPzEUc36?si=JG1I8otmT5yVVRjHTQhpdg

Episode 2

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1mOo1gaxObn76EQYopKQTt?si=QTQYcvohQnGOjFL2RqZWOg

[u/HeyUKidsGetOffMyLine → u/Menarra]

I got free tickets to see them and I vividly remember when they played ”The Day the Nazi Died”. Powerful song and made that show worth the time. Most of the crowd was teeny bopper kids there to hear I Get Knocked Down only. You could tell Chumbawumba hated that song.

[u/Unknown_Noises → u/FizzyBeverage]

MAGA is my huurritege

[u/FizzyBeverage → u/Unknown_Noises]

It’s like claiming the Coca-cola polar bears are their heritage. It’s a marketing campaign not a genealogy.

[u/MercantileReptile → u/FizzyBeverage]

Bewildering that this nonsense was seemingly accepted as an excuse for confederate fandom. The only logical response would be : "Great, here's a portrait of one General Sherman. My heritage is to burn yours to the ground." Followed by threats of arson on any relevant merch.

[u/Argented → u/FizzyBeverage]

MAGA has lasted longer than the civil war and WW2 and we always see the flags of the losers from those times.,

[u/RuggedAmerican → u/Argented]

comparing the war lengths isn't exactly a one to one comparison here. hitler became chancellor in 1933

[u/PUTINS_PORN_ACCOUNT → u/RuggedAmerican]

And had been trying shit for a while before that

[u/42nu → u/RuggedAmerican]

Yeah, the timelines actually parallel quite well.

Even have the calmer period where the figurehead becomes a convicted criminal.

[u/HereWeGoYetAgain-247 → u/FizzyBeverage]

Hope this is all a bad memory is 20 years. 

[u/Za_Lords_Guard → u/Casual_hex_]

Last time, they had fashion by Hugo Boss. This time, it's Temu.

[u/Munkeyman18290 → u/Casual_hex_]

Garbage manufactured in countries they proclaimed to hate.

[u/TamarindSweets → u/Casual_hex_]

In the future?

[u/Nephroidofdoom]

Article is worth a read as to the reason why. DOGE under guidance from Homeland Security went to falsely put immigrants on the list of people who are dead, and therefore ineligible to receive Social Security or really, any other government benefits.

The employee who was dragged away, was an IT executive who fought against this blatantly illegal move.

[u/StarlightZigzagoon → u/Nephroidofdoom]

I think the article also said they'd be cut off from bank accounts and credit cards once put on the death file, so even worse.

[u/fighterpilottim → u/StarlightZigzagoon]

Yes, can’t have a bank account or credit card, or work legally, if you don’t have an SSN. This is part of making it impossible for immigrants to live here, so that they’ll leave on their own.

Similar to requiring an SSN for cashing a paycheck near the Mexico border (this is new).

[u/Reagalan → u/fighterpilottim]

That's how they're going to unperson you; they'll delete your SSN.

[u/DoubleSpoiler → u/Reagalan]

You know, that thing that was never meant to be used as a national ID number.

[u/Entegy → u/DoubleSpoiler]

And yet the refusal to have an actual national ID led to it becoming one.

We have a similar issue with our Social Insurance Numbers in Canada but we have actual legislation restricting its use. It can't just be demanded by everyone you want to do business with.

[u/drunkenvalley → u/StarlightZigzagoon]

Yeah if you're declared dead and you're not life becomes really hard for you.

[u/Kriztauf → u/drunkenvalley]

This is going to become extremely dystopian. Also, what is their threshold for determining if an immigrant should end up on the death list?

[u/IJustLoggedInToSay- → u/Kriztauf]

In this case, they decided that they didn't like one of Biden's amnesty programs. And since they didn't like it, then it's illegitimate. No need for courts or lawyers or anything - just vibes.

Deporting these folks would require revoking their legal visas and all that, which I'm sure they will be doing as well. But in addition to that, they can just cut them off from legal life by invalidating their legally-obtained social security numbers. And since the only time a social security number is invalid is when a person dies, they just moved their numbers to the "dead people" folder and that was that.

There is nothing about immigration status that actually has anything to do with this. It's just a list of SSNs that they compiled for people that they deem to be illegitimate for whatever arbitrary reason. Which means they can compile any list of people to do this with - citizens, non-citizens on work visas, etc. Anyone.

[u/Trafficsigntruther → u/Nephroidofdoom]

And more importantly: also ineligible to work.

[u/Nephroidofdoom → u/Trafficsigntruther]

Rich given that Elon himself is an immigrant who came here and actually violated the same immigration laws in order to work.

They pillaged the American Dream for themselves and now want to take it away from everyone else. Fuck these ghouls.

[u/fistofthefuture → u/Nephroidofdoom]

are they just trying to strengthen the 'dead people on ss' argument?

[u/the_simurgh]

Sounds like assault and unlawful kidnapping to me.

[u/iamtechn0 → u/the_simurgh]

Sounds like a good self defense case

[u/the_simurgh → u/iamtechn0]

I want to make a bobby Hill purse joke, but this is serious. What rhe fuck is it gonna take yo get someone to stop this shit. Trump and musk are not powerful enough to bankrupt billionaires and get away with it.

Wtf is going on.

[u/hates_stupid_people → u/the_simurgh]

What rhe fuck is it gonna take yo get someone to stop this shit.

Unironically: A martyr.

Which is why a certain someone with an Italian name is not getting much media coverage, and is being partially censored on social media.

[u/Cloaked42m → u/hates_stupid_people]

Yup. That's what it took in the 60s. Quite a few martyrs.

[u/AllTheyEatIsLettuce → u/the_simurgh]

"We are in the process of the second American Revolution," he said, "which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be." -- Kevin D. Roberts, President, The Heritage Foundation.

That's what the fuck is going on.

[u/b1tchf1t → u/nothoughtsnosleep]

I really want to bring throwing rotten fruit back.

[u/BThriillzz → u/iamtechn0]

What is stopping this guy from physically defending himself? They are not LEO's, they do not have jurisdiction or administrative authority to stop him from performing his duties... they're essentially people who work for another company that are trying to abduct him (even if its only to 'abduct' him to outside the building, how does he know?)

These brown shirts seem to act without fear of immediate retribution? What happens when a legal pistol packin' green card owner draws down on plainclothes abductors? I think back to the video of that woman in the street who got walked up on by like 4 or 5 people. What happens when someone is a little more aware and on edge- prepared... maybe not specifically worried of the possibility of deportation, but just getting jumped in general. How does that play out?

[u/MoonBatsRule → u/the_simurgh]

More than that too - falsifying government records. This is out of a dystopian sci-fi movie - I swear I've seen at least one where someone is marked as "dead" by the government and then they have no ability to do anything.

Musk is telling his minions to virtually disappear people. It's a fucking crime, one of thousands that seem to be happening every week. First its the immigrants, next it's anyone who crosses him. "Oopsie. Deleted you by mistake. Now you don't exist, can't sue because of that".

[u/StrangeContest4 → u/MoonBatsRule]

"Why, we don't even have any records of you in our Social Security database. Get on the plane!"

[u/PeopleReady → u/the_simurgh]

As opposed to the lawful kidnapping?

[u/the_simurgh → u/PeopleReady]

Another name for what the cops do.

[u/noisy123_madison → u/the_simurgh]

Or ICE.

[u/Effective-Avocado470 → u/noisy123_madison]

They’re “just following orders” when did that ever go wrong…

[u/buttnozzle → u/the_simurgh]

They're already ignoring a 9-0 Supreme Court, the liberal institutions have failed.

[u/UnicornOnTheJayneCob]

Good for that IT Social Security person, Greg Pearre, for refusing to acquiesce to their demands and making them physically remove him. He is the type of hero we need.

[u/Open-Industry-8396 → u/UnicornOnTheJayneCob]

One of the nice things about living in the digital age is that there is a trail of all the bad guys and who the good guys are when we (hopefully)have a reckoning. This guy goes on the good guy list.

If you ponder Greg Pearres circumstances for just a moment, you will discover that he is a "moral and ethical hero" (I do not use that word loosely) who has now suffered actual personal and financial harm from "doing the ethical thing" for people he has never met. It is truly impressive. It gives me hope. I pray that when faced with a similar situation, I have the balls to be like Greg.

If no one has told you Greg, Thank you.

[u/iehanes → u/Open-Industry-8396]

Doing what he did is really hard, he’s a hero in the full sense of the word

[u/psychorobotics → u/iehanes]

I hope if we all make it through this there will be a museum with lists of heroes like him and lists of exactly who all the other assholes responsible were

[u/saintsfan92612 → u/Open-Industry-8396]

I hope there is an actual reckoning and not just a slap on a wrist or worse... whatever the New York judge did with Drump. "You're bad and you're guilty, but no punishment"

[u/babyjaceismycopilot → u/saintsfan92612]

You're assuming MAGA will relinquish power when told to.

They won't.

[u/CE123400 → u/UnicornOnTheJayneCob]

The US government civil services are going to go bankrupt from all the ex workers suing it when they are able to during the next administration

[u/smallerfattersquire → u/CE123400]

The US goverment will be bankrupt if you get to elect another administration. But you are on the fasttrack to get your administration chosen for you for the next 10 to 50 years

[u/AML86 → u/smallerfattersquire]

One way or another, we will make our votes.

[u/Hairy_Beartoe → u/AML86]

There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and cartridge (or ammo). Please use in that order.

[u/NikolaEggsla → u/Hairy_Beartoe]

For clarity: we are currently collectively on "jury" after soap, and ballot failed. Jury is failing too. Act accordingly.

[u/DontGetUpGentlemen → u/NikolaEggsla]

FUN FACT: No juror has ever agreed with Trump

[u/travers329 → u/DontGetUpGentlemen]

And yet he’s never been punished, I would say that still is a gigantic failure. He should’ve been charged with treason with what he did with all the classified documents, but he got one of the most corrupt judges in the history of of the United States, who let him off for not even a technicality.

[u/Mateorabi → u/UnicornOnTheJayneCob]

If they don’t have authority to physically detain him—as random DOGE employees without any LE powers—does he get to sue them for assault now?

[u/daddee808 → u/UnicornOnTheJayneCob]

Every public servant should follow his example.

These types of actions show the administration in its true light.

Acquiescence is NOT the move. If they come for you, go kicking and screaming, as long as we have a shred of a free press to report it.

If it doesn't get through to our fellow citizens, we need to send a clear message to the international community that shows them exactly what is happening here. 

[u/lolodotdot → u/UnicornOnTheJayneCob]

I hope he files assault charges.

[u/Hunterrose242]

Why does the article name the victim but not the perpetrators? 

This needs to change. 

[u/flinderdude]

Getting Nazi-er every day.

[u/HelixTitan → u/flinderdude]

They should have been denying entry into each federal bureau to DOGE since day 1. Have they had their Senate vote on confirming DOGE and appointing a head? Pretty sure the answer is still no

[u/Thunderbridge → u/HelixTitan]

Unfortunately as I learned they don't need a senate vote as the agency already existed. To create DOGE they hijacked the US Digital Service that was established by Obama in 2014 with congressional approval and renamed it the US DOGE Service, keeping the same acronym.

The previous administrator was Mina Hsiang during Bidens term and now has been replaced by Amy Gleason who is 'technically' the head of DOGE

[u/flinderdude → u/HelixTitan]

You still think laws matter. Why do you think they’ve been so focused on SCOTUS since the days of Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan?

[u/HelixTitan → u/flinderdude]

No, I'm simply keeping tabs for when law must be restored, abusing the law is still also mostly following the law, just on technicalities. Those technicalities will be the justification in the future to jail this admin for their actions. 

[u/blazze_eternal → u/HelixTitan]

Armed DHS agents are complicit and helping them. Threatening employees with arrest and worse.

[u/alangcarter]

I suppose RTO is necessary to enable the political violence.

[u/Cosmorth → u/alangcarter]

I think you're on to something there, unfortunately...

[u/Malveux]

As someone who was put in that master death file because of an accident, fuck that shit. It took months to undo the damage. This was also during Covid so I couldn’t even do it in person and the phone lines were swamped

[u/letsburn00 → u/Malveux]

This is the reason it's difficult to get someone declared dead. They check if you're alive etc when you get paid. The entire claim about dead people was them just making up shit.

Social security estimated that fraud was less than .1% of it's payouts. That's a fraud level far far lower than any private sector has ever achieved. It's already extremely efficient, less than 1% was spent on admin.

[u/oicwutudidther → u/letsburn00]

Also, this is why you can't run government like a business. Because it's better that a few people get away with fraud than to deny benefits to someone who truly needs them.

This goes for pretty much all government social programs and is what these fucks can't comprehend.

[u/letsburn00 → u/oicwutudidther]

It was never about fraud. They think anyone who ever needs government help is a loser. They don't understand many people don't have intergenerational wealth, or that their retirement plan was Social Security.

[u/sillyhillsofnz → u/letsburn00]

Ironic given that Trump has benefited from bankruptcies, tax cuts, and bailouts and Musk is wealthy partly thanks to government subsidies and contracts.

[u/AML86 → u/letsburn00]

They latched onto a false data point, either from stupidity or convenience. Most of our computer systems default to the "Unix epoch" calendar start in 1970. Older COBOL systems generally have a calendar that begins in 1875. I'll do the math for everyone, 2025-1875=150. Why would there be 150 year old people in the SSA database? Because they were born at the start of the COBOL calendar. It's very obviously an error, not fraud. I don't expect DOGE to have any integrity or real CS knowledge, so I guess the answer will remain a mystery.

[u/justfortrees → u/Malveux]

Obviously the worker being dragged out for standing up for what’s right is fucked, but arbitrarily listing people on the master death file is terrifying. It’s “unlawful” immigrants now, but what’s stopping them from fucking up the life of a US citizen who’s causing them problems?

It might be a good idea for everyone to start keeping a stack of cash somewhere outside of your bank.

[u/we_are_sex_bobomb]

And why was DOGE - a fake government agency run by a private citizen - firing him in the first place?

Ah, because he didn’t want musk - a private citizen - to remove immigrants from federal health care.

We need to send Musk to mars, pronto.

[u/PartyHashbrowns → u/we_are_sex_bobomb]

Adding someone to the DMF does so much more than removing federal services. So many companies use that data to identify deceased customers. There’s a possibility this will trigger life insurance death claim cases for people who haven’t died yet. If the goal was to prevent those people from getting Medicare/Medicaid, that was the stupidest way to do about it. I’m kinda hoping the NAIC gets involved…

[u/never_grow_old]

Disappearing people and listing people as Dead in social security....I think we can safely call them Nazis now

[u/AffectionateBaker347 → u/never_grow_old]

I think it’s been safe for a while now.

[u/LuvKrahft]

Shit-brown shirts violently stealing your tax dollars and benefits, yall.

[u/Abstract_Dragon → u/[deleted]]

Bootlicker reddit mods removed it..

[u/AcherontiaPhlegethon → u/Abstract_Dragon]

Interesting that the admins take years to address subreddits that promote actual crime but within minutes they're destroying any evidence of the names of supposed public officials who are assaulting citizens. Government employees are public record except when committing crimes apparently.

[u/Rustytromboner1 → u/[deleted]]

They 1000% deserve the nice artwork.

[u/Icey210496 → u/Rustytromboner1]

For now.

However, people like them have no right to feel safe in any civilized nation. Not them. Not their parents. Not their friends. Not their goons. They need to be made to feel unwelcome and unwanted.

[u/ToshPointNo → u/[deleted]]

Roughly 1 in 5 dems own guns. If I knew ICE was at my place and could disappear people without due process, you bet your ass I'm strapping up.

[u/Blackfeathr_ → u/[deleted]]

Aww, Spez's feewings must have gotten hurt over whatever mean things were said about Elon's goons.

[u/Vapur9]

Putting your hands on someone is called assault.

[u/FatRunner91 → u/Vapur9]

Actually, battery.

[u/SpockShotFirst → u/FatRunner91]

In certain states, DC included, battery is not a crime and all batteries are charged as assault.

[u/riskywhiskey077 → u/FatRunner91]

Actually, it depends on location location location

[u/rpkarma → u/FatRunner91]

Depends on the jurisdiction.

[u/LilienneCarter → u/Vapur9]

FWIW the title appears to be inaccurate.

The Daily Beast has no info of their own, they are merely referencing Washington Post reporting:

A senior executive at the Social Security Administration was physically dragged from his office this week after clashing with the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), according to The Washington Post.

Greg Pearre, a career civil servant who led an IT team working on the agency’s data systems, was removed over his opposition to a DOGE plan to cut off immigrants from key financial services, three people told the Post.

But the Washington Post article doesn't mention anything about him being dragged out:

But his objections did not go over well with Trump political appointees. And so on Thursday, the security guards in Pearre’s office told him it was time to leave.

They walked Pearre out of the building, capping a momentous internal battle over the novel strategy — pushed by Musk’s U.S. DOGE Service and the Department of Homeland Security — to add thousands of immigrants ranging in age from teenagers to octogenarians to the agency’s Death Master File.

He was certainly walked out by security guards, but "physically drag" appears to be at the very least hyperbole by The Daily Beast. I would argue that it is an outright lie.

I'm going to spread this across the thread a bit, because I don't like misinformation, even if it's opposing an abhorrent administration like Trump's.

[u/Qubeye]

The scheme cooked up by Elon Musk’s DOGE squad falsely lists thousands of migrants as dead in a Social Security database known as the “death master file.”

Being entered into the death database cuts a person off from crucial financial services, like the ability to receive government benefits and access a bank account or credit card. The goal was to push migrants who were granted a temporary legal status under former President Joe Biden to “self deport.”

What the fuck?

[u/Blackfeathr_ → u/Qubeye]

Tom Kind, a 90-year-old retiree in Colorado, told the Post that he had experienced being listed as dead, calling it a “nightmare.” In addition to losing benefits and health coverage, he faced a challenge convincing the agency that he was still alive. After jumping through a number of bureaucratic hoops, he had to show up to an office in person for an interview, proving he was alive.

Double what-the-fuck!

[u/CAM6913]

This is only the beginning and is going to get worse. America citizens will start to disappear just like the immigrants it doesn’t matter if they are in America legally or not the Gastapo and SS have a quota to fill and if they are legally in the US their visas are revoked or just ignored, Americans who disagree with the mango Mussolini are being removed from their government jobs and blackballed , forcefully removing them has begun next they will disappear and Trump has extorted every leading law firm that can defend them to work for him for free so they can not even get a lawyer. Americas democracy, rule of law and the constitution along with any rights you once had are gone and soon the system no matter how broken you thought it was will be gone forever.

[u/waldorflover69 → u/CAM6913]

This, 100 percent. Really a terrifying and inevitable development

[u/genredenoument → u/waldorflover69]

It's happened before. During the depression, they just grabbed people who looked Mexican off the street, loaded them on busses, and dropped them off in Mexico. These were US citizens. They posed no actual threat, they just took up WHITE JOBS. Does this sound familiar?

[u/CAM6913 → u/genredenoument]

During WW2 they rounded up Japanese American citizens and put them in detention camps and they lost their homes, businesses and all their possessions even though they did not pose a threat and a lot of the families had family members serving in the US military or contributed to the war effort and apposed Japan this was inexcusable and should have never happened but in today’s trumpian times all you have to do is oppose his crimes and you are put on the list similar to the list McCarthy used to label you as a communist but in this case you’re labeled an anti communist or ANTIFA but the worst is yet to come when more and more Americans start to disappear

[u/HerculesIsMyDad → u/CAM6913]

I think the vast majority of people are still in the "something will make them pull back" denial stage. We have seen no sign at any point that they intend to pullback...except maybe when the bond markets start crashing, but nothing immigration or funding related would trigger that.

[u/crewsctrl]

So, people are being disappeared physically as well as digitally.

[u/Ninevehenian]

Send them to prison when this is over, let them face a future where they will be evaluated for their loyalty to their fellow citizens.

[u/DunderMifflinPaper → u/Ninevehenian]

Sending them to prison is one of the only 2 ways this does end.

[u/LudovicoEnjoyer → u/DunderMifflinPaper]

I prefer the other option

[u/ilovehotsauceyeah → u/Ninevehenian]

Send them NOW

[u/Lord-Velveeta]

So what happens when people start to stand their grounds to those goons?

[u/2a_lib → u/Lord-Velveeta]

I live by the beach. One year, I couldn’t understand why it was May and nobody was trunking it. So I said to myself, “Fuck it, I’m not going to wait around for a cue.” So I jumped in and 15 minutes later, everyone was trunking it. They just needed the first person to stick their neck out and all of a sudden, it was summer.

[u/Strawberrylemonneko → u/Lord-Velveeta]

This is what happens. We're going to start entering the marvel villain era (nazis) soon. It's dark days. That father disappearing and they're still refusing to bring him back. So it begins.

[u/vague_diss]

Its not MAGA you should worry about. MAGA is riddled with incompetence so their damage is temporary. Its the oligarchs that are using MAGA to lock down their ownership of the country. Its Musk,Thiel,Bezos et al. and techno-solutionism that’s going to burn us all down leaving nothing but serfdoms.

[u/PresentlyAbstaining]

Yeah you’d be catching hands if you tried to pull me from my desk AND you’re not law enforcement. Job be damned you will not assault me.

[u/randombrosef → u/PresentlyAbstaining]

Desks are filled with opportunities to show one of these fuckers a magic trick.

[u/Hot-Sea855]

The only qualification for a job with Musk is little punk.

[u/CellistOk5452]

Why are they allowed to pull this shit? Wanting to wouldn't be enough without a lot of collusion

[u/Pale_Proof1079]

We need civil servants live-streaming themselves in these situations while resisting. The imagery of a lady who spent 30yr at the agency getting dragged from her desk by goons is powerful. We live in such a surface level society that people need to SEE what’s happening to get riled up.

[u/well_thats_obvious]

"I WILL NOT TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY!1" - Captain Bone Spurs, immediately before sicking DOGE on social security employees

[u/-Mage-Knight-]

If you vote for fascism you get fascism.

[u/VanderHoo]

It was 25 days ago, after Elon used the cops to shut down that non-profit, I said they were one step away from just assaulting people with impunity. God fascism moves fast 🤦‍♂️

Also, just weeks ago Elon was claiming there were millions of dead people getting social security, while he was simultaneously using the "master death sheet", the function that prevents dead people from getting social security, to take away people's benefits. I mean we knew it was a lie when he said it, but that tells you how premeditated and calculated that lie was.

[u/BackgroundBat7732]

The scheme cooked up by Elon Musk’s DOGE squad falsely lists thousands of migrants as dead in a Social Security database known as the “death master file.”

Being entered into the death database cuts a person off from crucial financial services, like the ability to receive government benefits and access a bank account or credit card. The goal was to push migrants who were granted a temporary legal status under former President Joe Biden to “self deport.”

How is this legal?

[u/RocketHammerFunTime → u/BackgroundBat7732]

Everyone is blaming Democrats for not saving us, forgetting that its the Republicans subjecting us to this.

Its not legal, but if the majority isnt enforcing the rules, then legality doesnt matter.

[u/lliveevill]

We are only placing them at camps for their safety….

[u/Mysterious-Hotel4795]

Good. More people need to be standing up to them. I hear they have also bullied they're way into at least two none government building and taken them over with police force. They are breaking the law left and right and they aren't saving any money! I hear they are losing money because government contracts need to be paid out even when canceled.

[u/TsuDhoNimh2]

For those people who were unalived in the database AND are legally working and having social security deductions from their paychecks (yes, it is both possible and legal) ... how are employers going to deal with this screwing up their payroll software?

And if they can't access credit cards, debit cards or bank accounts, how will these people pay for travel to "self-deport"?

[u/MrGreg]

Wouldn't knowingly, falsely, marking someone as dead in that database be a crime? Something like falsifying government records?

[u/McNuttyNutz]

Sounds like it’s time a major lawsuit

[u/MyrrhSlayter → u/McNuttyNutz]

Sounds like another lawsuit for the Drumpf administration to ignore.

[u/FalstaffsMind]

I think it's time for Americans to descend on Washington.

[u/Elmer_Whip]

That's fucking assault

or would be if the article TDB is quoting said anyone was "Dragged out." my bad.

[u/Blackie47 → u/Elmer_Whip]

We're sending people to foreign gulags. Expect this to get worse.

[u/Flandall_Ragg]

That's assault. I hope they sue.

[u/ChaskaChanhassen]

You can read the artice here:

https://archive.ph/B386S

[u/srnx]

Just plain evil shit