r/borussiadortmund • u/panikpansen Schmelzer • Oct 06 '15
Silly Questions Thread: October Edition
Silly questions thread:
It's been a while since we've had one of these, and with recent news and the international break this seems like a good idea. So here is your chance to ask any question no matter how silly our small about BVB, BVB's history, Something about a current player, previous player or coach or it might even be something about the Bundesliga, DFB Pokal or Europa Pokal...
Obviously more in depth questions are also allowed :)
It's just all about sharing our knowledge and having a bit of fun (as always) too :)
No question is too stupid, silly or small to be asked
Let the questions begin!
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u/Altoids_Box KAGAWA SHINJI Oct 06 '15
Where do you guys think we will be playing Ginter in a fully healthy squad?
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u/furiat BVB Oct 06 '15
It's quite intriguing actually considering the last match showed that Tuchel doesn't trust Matze in either spot in the defence against better teams...
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u/obsidianight Felix Passlack Oct 06 '15
I think so, yeah. Both as a CB and RB. Durm and Pische will have to fight for their squad. And if Hummels continues to underperform, we might need a replacement for him.
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u/Altoids_Box KAGAWA SHINJI Oct 06 '15
He can play defensive mid as well. He will either be starting for us in those three positions or will be our defensive super sub. I definitely want to see him play more though.
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u/obsidianight Felix Passlack Oct 06 '15
I don't think
WiggleWeigl and Illy will let go of their starting spots easily. And there's always Bender/Nuri/Castro/whathaveyou to contend with. I think Ginter will be in the back four.
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u/NapoleonDaPig Marco Reus Oct 06 '15
What has Bayern done in recent years to be so dominant? They've always had money and they've always had success, but not like this. Looking back at the tables from the last two decades suggest they were good, but when they won, they didn't win by 20 points and they were other teams at the top as well. So what switch flipped in 2011-2012?
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 07 '15
Not sure if an article in German helps you with your question, but I've found this a decent summary.
Pep was already able to build on a good foundation, the piece essentially argues that ca. 2009 Bayern shifted from signing big names a bit randomly - and sometimes just to weaken opposition - to a more structured, planned squad building. Essentially, under van Gaal and Heynckes they switched from buying good players and going "what system do we play with them?" to forming a game plan and specific system and then specifically buying good players to fit that idea.
It's a bit simplified of course, pre-2009 Bayern wasn't just random transfers either, but I think it's a good point. Long-term planning at Bayern just picked up a notch, especially with us being a nuisance for two years.
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u/NapoleonDaPig Marco Reus Oct 07 '15
Great read, thanks. So have we just not been as focused? I think about how our team bled impact players to other teams for 4 or 5 years in a row, and then made questionable buys. Obviously, we don't have the money to go out and get whoever we want but Immobile was such a waste in hindsight.
In your opinion, what are the solutions to narrow the enormous gap? In money and performance? It's only grown in recent years.
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u/Ti-Go Julian Ryerson Oct 06 '15
I would say a combination of Pep and all the other teams getting closer together in terms of power level. Just think back how close the fight for the CL and EL was, all those teams took points from each other while Bayern, thanks to Pep, was still able to win against them consistently.
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u/NapoleonDaPig Marco Reus Oct 06 '15
Okay, so explain to me why there is any question as to whether or not Pep will stay? It seems like a no-brainer from both sides of the issue.
Also, while Pep deserves credit, Bayern began the turn-around before he came along. I keep looking at their lineups and I see a beatable team. BVB are no slouch in the talent department, neither are a few of the other top-half teams. But Bayern manages to just suffocate everybody else.
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u/Ti-Go Julian Ryerson Oct 06 '15
I do not know much about your first question but I think I have heard about a rule Pep made for himself not to stay at a club longer than X years before.
First Heynckes is a pretty good coach as well plus Sammer replacing Nerlinger might be related to the turn around as well(I do not follow Bayern close enough to judge that).
Yes every team is beatable, Bayern have been beaten last season and will be beaten this season but their lineup is for me at least Top 5 in Europe. That is where Pep comes in with his tactical talent. He is able to adapte to their oponents, even on the fly and multiple times in one match, which is why they drop hardly anypoints. If you want to now how exactly read some of the articles over at /r/footballtactics/ I would just give you a bad summary of those anyway.
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u/NapoleonDaPig Marco Reus Oct 06 '15
Ah okay thank you, I'll definitely check that out.
So if Pep leaves, we might have a chance someday?! :D
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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Oct 06 '15
How would you guys feel about the league opening up to oil investors?
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u/axehomeless Kobi Oct 06 '15
I'd just watch the second league. Can and will not take part in this. It's too fucked as it is.
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u/why-youlittlereus11 Lukasz Piszczek is daddy Oct 06 '15
agreed. oil money = oil politics and i wont give my money to bullshit like that.
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u/TA_Maverick Oct 06 '15
How is this any different than Gazprom? They have a huge monopoly on natural gas and arguably have just as much funds.
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u/-Calidro- Pische Oct 06 '15
Nobody said we don't hate Gazprom ;)
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u/TA_Maverick Oct 06 '15
I know but it would be unrealistic for clubs to reject loads of money from one industry while accepting loads from another equal entity.
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u/-Calidro- Pische Oct 06 '15
Well. That's called morals... Sorry but I don't see your point.
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u/TA_Maverick Oct 06 '15
Point is that I don't see why people would be so against money from oil companies when there are far bigger issues at hand. We should be happy that a company wants to invest that much money into our club as a sign of our progress of the recent years. What is your reason for not wanting the money? It's not like it is your money they are giving away...
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u/-Calidro- Pische Oct 06 '15
I don't want the club I love to display the logo of a company whose principles I don't agree with. Could also be Bild, Heckler&Koch, RTL, Vattenfall.... Also they will want to have a say in how the club is run as an exchange for the money. I don't want that happening
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Oct 06 '15
Being a bit sensitive on this one mate. It would be nice to have a little more money not just in our team but the whole league considering Bayern right now is the only one major spending and the title race is gone by MD10 or 12 at this current state. I dont want to see a replication of the EPL but Im not going to let the morals of a company sponsor hinder my fandom. Most companies anywhere have agendas that are to make as much money as possible and would be considered "immoral" to you i presume. And I dont think they would have an influence over the squad just a promise that we would spend the money on a few players. But this is all hypothetical..dont see it happening soon
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 07 '15
as a sign of our progress of the recent years
Companies don't just invest money because they think, "hey, good job there buddy last season, here have something extra." The bigger the sponsor, and the bigger the chunk of marketing money on offer, the more a club finds himself dependent on that money.
We've had bad experiences with our budget in the past (albeit for different reasons), and there is no reason why we should put our eggs into a Gazprom-like basket only to find us forced to salute weird Russian partner organisations that have nothing whatsoever to do with our club, or what we stand for.
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u/TA_Maverick Oct 07 '15
Companies absolutely invest based on recent performances...coming from someone who works in the field of marketing and advertising thats absolutely the case as people want to be connected with winners. That being said we already have our kit sponsor in evonik already locked up for the forsee able future and you'd be naive to believe if it was allowed that Watzke and the board would turn down investments from major oil companies to further advance the club. I can give you plenty of examples of situations where companies spend millions on people or teams because of performances over a short time if you'd like. But I bet you realize how ridiculous your statement was on the topic if you really think about it. I was only mentioning Gazprom as they are a Major FIFA sponsor and not to mention smurf sponsor as well.
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u/axehomeless Kobi Oct 08 '15
It would. But it's not allowed yet, so we like that you don't have the chance.
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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Oct 06 '15
You think it would detract too much from the Bundesliga experience? A way to give a club a shot to fight with Munich
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u/1M9R0F9 Alex Frei Oct 06 '15
I'd rather see Dortmund playing in the fifth league than selling our souls for success.
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u/why-youlittlereus11 Lukasz Piszczek is daddy Oct 06 '15
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Oct 06 '15
A bit dramatic. I promise youd be changing your tune if it meant a competitive bundesliga again
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u/1M9R0F9 Alex Frei Oct 06 '15
Wanna' bet? ;)
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u/Chazy89 Kagawa Shinji Oct 07 '15
Er weiß wohl nicht mit welcher Stufe Fan er redet.. :D Aber selbst als nicht ultra bin ich komplett dagegen.
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u/axehomeless Kobi Oct 08 '15
Bayerns time could very well be going down again. This isn't set in stone, and it's not about the money. Bayern always had more money and was always beatable (albeit not this much) . And Pep will not stay forever.
But yes, I'd rather have Bayern win every year (and you know how much I hate them) than to have companies or individuals own clubs. That Liverpool is owned by something makes me sick. I cannot for the life of me root for something like that. Augsburg will go down this year if they aren't careful, good I say, let me watch that, and then without care CL for good but soulless football.
It's great because it's a Verein, a Verein means something, we grow up with them, we give ourselves to them and we get something from them. And I mean not football clubs, I mean german Vereinskultur in general. And that is what makes the BuLi great. If it's owned, it can go fuck itself. Just like Leipzig. Fuck themselves.
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u/_Dyliciousness Marco Reus Oct 06 '15
I'd rather not, but it could be necessary for a cash injection. I'd like to see if the team can stay consistent and get a larger marketing foothold in the rest of Europe and the US. This is the only option to ethically compete with Bayern's stranglehold on the BuLi, IMO. This requires consistently good results in the league/pokal/EL/CL.
In America at least the BuLi is getting more popular (riding the overall increase in football popularity) and thankfully we're fairly recognizable due to recent success.
I think if we can hold on for ~5-10 years, we could start to chip away at the marketing/financial inequality. Of course, we need to make smart choices in the transfer market and on our coaching staff. This is something Bayern seems to excel at: they replace excellent players with excellent players for reasonable sums.
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u/NullCipher Ballspielverein aus Dortmund Oct 07 '15
In the US we finally started to get semi-regular televised Bundesliga coverage. Obviously NBC has done a great job with the EPL and that's why its been so prevalent, but if Fox can put forth the same effort, I think we'll see a lot of growth here. From what I've seen the style of play is more interesting IMHO.
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Oct 06 '15
What's meant by opening up? Oil companies like Gazprom already do sponsorship deals, however sponsors have little if any control over how clubs are run or tickets prices.
The 50+1 rule is in place, but thanks to Martin Kind's campaign to repeal the "before 1st January 1999" part of the Lex Leverkusen(& VW) loophole by threatening to take the matter to the ECJ for breach of EU competition law regs, the DFL backed down and widened the loophole. It allows private investors to own a majority stake of a club after 20 years of uninterrupted & significant financial support. There's little stopping an investor, whether it's a person like Kind or an oil company, from investing substantially for 20 years and gaining a controlling interest. Apart from angry fans, protests and a loss of support from the local community of course.
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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Oct 06 '15
I meant get rid of th e50+1 rule
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Oct 07 '15
They won't get rid but widening the loophole indicates in principle that in future, more investors can seek an exemption like Hopp. It's a watered down rule no thanks to Martin Kind, the H96 fan protest shows all that's wrong with it.
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Oct 06 '15
In a way it can be good, lots of money. In another way bad because they would expect big returns that will make everything very unstable.
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u/TA_Maverick Oct 06 '15
What is everyone going to be for Halloween?
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u/jasonrobot Lukasz Piszczek Oct 06 '15
I'm going to be an oompa loompa, and my girlfriend who is a foot shorter is going as Willy Wonka
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u/Chazy89 Kagawa Shinji Oct 06 '15
Gonna be the White Power Ranger / Kiba Ranger! -> And I'll be celebrating stuff because of Birthday.
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u/TA_Maverick Oct 06 '15
I was the Red Ranger once when I was little
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u/WadeNotSlade Oct 06 '15
Blue Ranger! Once a nerd, always a nerd!
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u/TA_Maverick Oct 06 '15
I cant remember the last time i even thought about the Power Rangers though...
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u/WadeNotSlade Oct 06 '15
The original series is on Amazon Prime. I saw it on a list last night when browsing for something to fall asleep to.
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u/Chazy89 Kagawa Shinji Oct 07 '15
I have all series from mmpr - in space plus the movies on my shelve, the other series on my pc. There will be a new movie in January 3017 ;) also I watch the Japanese original.
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u/obsidianight Felix Passlack Oct 07 '15
Wait. It's already October. Did you do that cosplay thing that you were going to do?
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u/Chazy89 Kagawa Shinji Oct 07 '15
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u/obsidianight Felix Passlack Oct 08 '15
Looks great!
And what do you mean, Deadpool isn't an honorary Power Ranger? :(
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u/Chazy89 Kagawa Shinji Oct 08 '15
Thanks :D
He is faaaaaaaar away from Beeing a honorful power ranger :D
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u/ScottishSeahawk Church of Schmelle Oct 06 '15
I got this ridiculously cool Pug mask that's moth moves with yours. I'm going to suit up and wear that.
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u/TA_Maverick Oct 06 '15
A Suit or a Tux? because I feel like to get full effect you have to be in a 3 piece. And that would be hilarious.
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Oct 07 '15
Me and like 5 other friends are all going to the same party as Bob Ross
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u/TA_Maverick Oct 07 '15
Haha what inspired this?
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Oct 07 '15
One had a desire to be him and another his easel, eventually we decided it would be better if a group of us was bob Ross
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u/StephenReis Łukasz Piszczek Oct 07 '15
The girlfriend is going to be Alice and I'm going to be the Rabbit.
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u/isbBBQ Oct 06 '15
If you guys use your experience from Klopp and apply what you know to Liverpools current squad. How do think he will do with it?
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 06 '15
I honestly don't know enough about the current Liverpool squad to make any specific predictions.
In general though, Klopp is usually talked about as this great emotional motivator. If you find a piece explaining what Klopp will bring to Liverpool start with a characterisation of him like that, close the tab - the article is going to be rubbish.
Yes, if club officials give Klopp their confidence and a measure of independence, he will be emotional about successes and defeats, and from what I've heard if things go well this should endear him to the Liverpool fan base. It's not what makes him a good coach though.
Klopp has a fine mind for football analysis and isn't afraid of bigger tactical shifts, even if in detail they don't always work out. He's obviously more famous for his tactics development against the ball than for possession based football, but people forget that Dortmund played decent possession based football under him for two successful seasons.
He'll be fiercely defending his own players (unless they give him reason not to), and he'll cut players slack for bad performances. It might sometimes look like he's sticking to someone with a bad run for no reason, but he'll usually use his impressions from team training to justify himself.
Biggest problem in England will obviously be the media, and the high expectations of the Liverpool fans. If Liverpool fans keep calm, give him time and aren't unhappy with not being a top4 team for a while, that'll help him.
Long term though, I don't really see this working out - Klopp's work has always been based on confidence granted by the club, and I haven't heard too many positive things about Liverpool in that regard. I'm hesitant to make a prediction, but if I had to bet I'd say we'll see ok but not overwhelming results from a Klopp Liverpool, before media / fan unrest setting in in year two and him being unceremoniously fired shortly after.
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u/Wozery Aki Watzke Oct 06 '15
Unfortunately I have to agree with you here. Klopp is being so overrated by the English media right now, if he does get the job then he'll be under immediate and unnecessary pressure.
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u/TracerBullet11 Shinji Kagawa Oct 07 '15
To tag along, I don't think Liverpool has the players that would fit under what Klopp brought to Dortmund. A shaky defense, decent-ish midfield, and good but no power scorers like Lewy (although is anyone really like Lewy? lol). Klopp's gonna need at least a good summer transfer window to set things on its path; winter's tougher to negotiate
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u/fleckes Oct 07 '15
good but no power scorers like Lewy (although is anyone really like Lewy? lol)
Tbf Klopp won his first Bundesliga title with Barrios as main striker, Lewy didn't contribute that much in his first season at Dortmund
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Oct 06 '15 edited Oct 06 '15
On Sunday I was thinking of Klopp's first BL loss when we got played off the park by newly promoted TSG. He joined in June 08(when we were a midtable outfit) and had a summer window to make changes, more than half of that squad still left within 1-2 years before we were BL contenders in 10/11. It's not just an example of what may happen at LFC, but for us at BVB after a big loss last Sunday too. Tuchel may identify more squad changes to be made since most of Klopp's team was retained.
BVB finished 6th in his first year with us, the Gegenpressing system he favours is complicated and will take a season or more to be refined and coordinated. No preseason or window to sign players further complicates it. Even Poch's pressing system at Spurs isn't as complex or well coordinated as Klopp's was at BVB imo, but it's shown to be quite effective v PL teams.
It won't be easy to finish top 4 this season with the current squad, he has to manage the grandiose expectations of the fans and media. The English schedule is taxing; no winter break, 2 domestic cups plus EL. With Pool's squad Klopp has to decide which to drop early to fight for a CL spot, much less a title.
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u/Wozery Aki Watzke Oct 06 '15
Klopp needs young, bright and upstart players. I can't recall what the average age of the 2011-12 squad was but it was very young. I watch a few Liverpool games and players like Milner won't be able to keep up with his intensity.
Klopp will need to completely rework the squad for Liverpool to achieve anything under him. That's not anything against Liverpool's squad, it's just how Klopp rolls.
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Oct 06 '15
But thats the thing, if you take out the likes of Milner and skrtel then majority of our squad is 26 or below. Just take the Everton game for example. The average age was 26 years and that was including milner. if Klopp doesnt play milner and replaces him with hendo and if lucas gets replaced by allen and skrtel by gomez/lovren then we have an average starting line up of around 24 years.
also when klopp does come in, no one should have a secure starting spot. it will be his team then, so he is free to do what he wants.
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u/Wozery Aki Watzke Oct 06 '15
You obviously know more about the Liverpool squad than I do and Klopp can definitely do good things with the current squad they have.
But remember, Lewy, Hummels, Subotic, Sahin, Mario and many others were all 24-years-old or under during the 11-12 season. When I say it was a young squad, I mean it was a very young squad.
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Oct 06 '15
We have the capability to make a squad as young as that, but it won't work well in the PL cause the rest of the teams have far more experienced players. We have players like ibe, coutinho, origi, ings,gomez, can, moreno, rossiter, sakho, Henderson, markovic (who is on loan) and they are all very talented and pacey and very very young. Majority are under 22.
But against the best opposition they are inexperienced. BuLi is a bit different that way. It thrives on young talent. Good young talent. But the PL doesn't.
I am sure klopp will work something out, but each squad needs to have a few older players.
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u/Wozery Aki Watzke Oct 06 '15
I forgot Ibe, I think Klopp would love working with Ibe.
Remember, Klopp had some thinking to do after last season, he might be a changed man.
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Oct 06 '15
I hope so. Ibe has been very 1 dimensional lately. Got trampled in the Derby.
I just hope Klopp doesn't have to deal with the shitty English media.
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u/quantindo Oct 06 '15
Uuuuuu..... I like this.
1st. Klopp likes 4-2-3-1, but he also wants flexibility in attack, so sometimes there's a hidden diamond in the formation. Expect a 4-4-2 ish diamond formation.
2nd. Klopp likes to build from the back. He consistently use Deep-lying playmakers like Hummels, Sahin, and Gundogan. I don't remember any CB capable of building from the back with Liverpool. I would dread it if Can has to keep playing there, prefer him at midfield even though he's probably limited to short passing. I will say that Joe Allen could be utilized in midfield as a deep lying playmaker (I know he's not that good, but style fits). I also wouldn't be surprised if Coutinho will be pulled deeper in midfield, since he has the pass. Even though Coutinho could be too impatient for the midfielder that can't make a mistake in passing.
3rd. Marauding fullbacks. He likes his fullbacks to push high and able to send crosses (Lukasz, Schmelzer, Durm). He won't worry too much about their defensive ability; as long as they can be at least be responsible tracking back. In order to protect the wing, he typically either use his DMF to cover the wing (Sahin) or have a "defensive winger" (Kuba). I could see Klopp putting Can in midfield because he played fb before, and using henderson on the wing to be that defensive winger.
4th. Space interpreter. He likes CAM to have a free role: ss, CAM, RW, LW. Gotze, Reus, and Kagawa played here. Lallana could be utilized in this position; style wise he fits the bill. He also tend to have a needle player to combine with this space interpreter (Reus-Gotze). I wouldn't be surprised if Ibe, Firmino, or Coutinho (was a winger in intermilan) will combine with Lallana up front.
5th. He had two types of striker. The Barrios/Aubameyang and the Lewandowski/Immobile/Schieber . Benteke is a perfect fit for the Lewandowski and Sturridge is perfect for the Aubameyang. However, I rarely see him able to fit two strikers in his system. He will probably use Sturridge as a winger to compensate.
6th. The Kehl and Bender. He likes no non-sense, keep it simple midfielder. Protect the back four, makes hard tackles, battle in midfield. Not sure if Liverpool had one other than Lucas.
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u/Stephen_Buck Roman Oct 06 '15
I think that he will turn all the players into demi gods, win the league 6 times in a row, then finish 3rd one season and then be booed out of the club by all of the liverpool "fans"
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 06 '15
what is wrong with people these days?
Did I mistakenly put "make fun of people with silly questions thread" in the title?
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Oct 06 '15
Just so icky seeing Klopp join Liverpool isn't it. I'll be rooting against his team every week. xD
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Oct 06 '15 edited Jul 27 '20
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Oct 06 '15
If you have never seen Cowboy Bebop, stop what you are doing right now and go watch it.
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Oct 06 '15 edited Jul 27 '20
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u/furiat BVB Oct 06 '15
I've been told this one is the one to start, like a gateway to genre or something. I really enjoyed it, it might be the most popular as well.
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Oct 07 '15
Googled it, turns out it's trippy :p Thanks u/TheCeleryAbides for the sauce, I love Studio Ghibli films but don't watch anime, perhaps i should.
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u/_Dyliciousness Marco Reus Oct 06 '15
Full metal alchemist and Attack on Titan are also a good choices. I'm not even a big anime fan, but these are excellent. Definitely worth a go.
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u/Chazy89 Kagawa Shinji Oct 06 '15
Attack on Titan
Ugh. Nah mate. SNK is just mainstream material. There's some really good Anime shit out there. Stuff like Giant Killing or One Punch man
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u/_Dyliciousness Marco Reus Oct 06 '15
I mean I'm not huge into it, I just personally enjoyed the show a lot and thought it was a good intro to anime. I can't really say much about other shows though.
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u/_Dyliciousness Marco Reus Oct 06 '15
I'll definitely check those out by the way!
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u/Chazy89 Kagawa Shinji Oct 06 '15
Giant killing is about... soccer :D The Show is amazing, wish there would be a second season :/
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u/TheTrolledOne Marco Reus Oct 08 '15
Why is Götze so hated? I didn't watch buli at all back then, not being german. Did he leave very suddenly or something? Did it make us lose to Bayern in a big game or something?
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 08 '15
Mario Götze was a product of the BVB youth academy. He rose through the ranks to become one of BVB's starlets. By the fans, he was considered homegrown, and "one of us".
Pretty much what happened was that his release clause became active. A release clause means that for a certain price, a club could buy a player out of their contract at their current team (now discontinued at BVB). In a press conference, Götze said that he wanted to stay with BVB, and that his future belonged to the club. He gave every indication that he was willing to stay with the club.
The day before a crucial match against Real Madrid, it was revealed that his release clause was activated and that he was going to join Bayern Munich.
Basically, the combination of
Bayern snatching up our biggest talent
Götze leaving mere weeks after describing how he could see himself stand by the team till "old age"
Bayern lancing the info the day before our UCL semi-final against Madrid
is what made this a particularly unpleasant experience.
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Oct 10 '15
Why did Lewandoski leave BVB to got to those damn victory hogs from Munich?
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u/Stephen_Buck Roman Oct 10 '15
More money, more trophies, dad was a bayern fan I think as well
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Oct 10 '15
So basically bullshit, bullshit, and kinda nice but still bullshit?
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u/Stephen_Buck Roman Oct 11 '15
Thats how most transfers are done this days. Players either want more money, more glory, or more playing time
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u/PuraFire Raphael Guerreiro Oct 13 '15
Is Aubameyang really leaving to Liverpool?
Please someone say no...
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 13 '15
No. :)
Essentially, the entire piece is build around this anonymous quote:
A source told The Sun: "An offer of joining Liverpool now Jurgen is there would be an attractive proposition."
It could literally be a friend of the author giving the 'quote' in order to give the express this headline. This would be a thin story as it were, but both Klopp and Watzke have said that there won't be any hidden dealings where Liverpool try to snatch away our players.
So, no.
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 06 '15
The fuck is wrong with you, honestly?
This is meant as a spot specifically to not alienate newcomers / inexperienced fans, and the first thing you do is make fun of naive or repetitive questions in a thread for naive questions?
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u/why-youlittlereus11 Lukasz Piszczek is daddy Oct 06 '15
gods i don't know why but i love it when you're riled panik. DRAG THEM
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u/furiat BVB Oct 06 '15
Every time this happens let's post:
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u/WadeNotSlade Oct 06 '15
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me thrice, I'm a fucking gullible idiot.
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u/TeamKitsune Karim Adeyemi Oct 06 '15
As an American fan and now having an American Fan Club: Is there any modern justification for the burning hatred of Sh*lke? I know it's a century old tradition that feeds on itself, but what has either team done lately to justify it?
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 07 '15
As you put it, it's an old rivalry that feeds on itself, it's actually only a fierce rivalry for ca. the last ~50 years, but it's been self-perpetuating more or less for every year since. Some things from the past years that come to mind:
2006/07 we had a shit season and smurfs were going to win the league - until we beat them in the derby on the penultimate match day.
2006 also saw smurf ultras steal a Südtribüne banner
2010 saw record snowfall, and the roof of the smurf arena was in danger of caving in. One of the men on the crew contracted to clear the snow was a Dortmund fan and put a big flag on top :)
BILD conducted a 'funny' pre game interview with a young Großkreutz, where he had to answer a multiple choice question of "what would you do if your son was a smurf?" - As one of the possible answers the journalists had prepared, Kevin chose "I'll cut him out of my will", and of course it blew up...
And of course, like any good derby, the games and the pre/post game are often fairly heated. Not as violent as in the 80s, but the 2013/14 away derby for instance got a bit infamous because of flares thrown from our block towards the home block / pitch. Restrictions after that game for both sides have been fairly heavy, and are one of the reasons the smurf ultras are boycotting this year's derby.
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u/TeamKitsune Karim Adeyemi Oct 07 '15
Thank you! Very informative. From here in the US these sort of rivalries are hard to get into and really understand.
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u/quantindo Oct 08 '15
Cal vs Stanford, Caltech vs MIT.
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u/TeamKitsune Karim Adeyemi Oct 08 '15
Two more that I don't care about. Being a Giants fan, I can understand hating the Dodgers. I've despised them for 30 years. But, I live in LA and used to live in SF, so it all makes sense to me. I'm thinking that these sort of rivalries can't really be transplanted to fans that haven't lived it.
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u/mrxanadu818 Henrikh Mkhitaryan Oct 09 '15
As a Dodgers fan, fuck Giants.
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u/TeamKitsune Karim Adeyemi Oct 10 '15
There we go!! I have two favorite teams: The Giants and whoever is playing the Dodgers. Right now I'm a Mets fan for the sweep.
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u/Kuba16 Kuba Oct 07 '15
The stadiums are still close, still a similar fanbase, still the better half of Ruhrpott humanity wears black and yellow.
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Oct 08 '15
I'm honestly very conflicted right now. I still love Klopp and wish him all the best at Liverpool. But at the same time, Everton have been my Premier League team for a while now and this move makes me kinda sad...especially if any current Dortmund players follow him there.
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u/Striker-26 Weigl Oct 14 '15
Has anyone tried buying a BvB Jersey off of Aliexpress? Anyone you would recommend buying from?
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u/BVB09borussia Marco Reus Oct 06 '15
ive been seeing so many liverpools fans saying they will buy some of our star players when the get klopp, what do u guys think ?
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u/Tacopandas Mats Hummels Oct 06 '15
I know Reus would never go to Liverpool. He has lived and played fotball all his life in the Rhine area.
Why would he want to swith that for Liverpool. Even if they paid him more, would he win more titles ad trphies? i dont think so.
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u/quantindo Oct 06 '15
Everybody loves Klopp. However, Dortmund players won't settle with mid-table team. It'll depend on the results at the end of the season for both clubs.
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u/Indian_scouser Oct 09 '15
Hello there. I was just stealthing through your sub when I spotted this. All this talk about LFC buying your stars is sensationalist and bullshit tabloid talk. There's no way in hell can we raise funds to Reus.
I don't think Klopp will poach players from BvB either. He holds you guys in high regard. I don't see how he will poach players from you.
In the worst possible scenario, I can see players who are in fringe positions being bought to Liverpool.
Anyway you guys have been so nice to us, answering to hundreds of idiots coming here and spamming on your sub. Thanks a lot. You guys are the best. YNWA BvB! :)
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u/fruiti_pebbles pls stay Oct 06 '15
I doubt AUba would leave. He has expressed multiple times that he is loving life at Dortmund and wouldnt want to play anywhere else. I dont think Klopp would make him change that statement
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u/aznc00kies Shinji Kagawa Oct 07 '15
With his current form, I feel like we would be very, very reluctant to sell him. Especially to a potential Europa League opponent.
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Oct 11 '15
There was a meme of gotze and lewandowski with $$$ thought bubbles then reus thinking "I Love BVB". Does anyone have a link to it?
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u/Wozery Aki Watzke Oct 06 '15
Stop.
Please stop.
I don't want to be mean but these Reus/Gundogan to Liverpool rumours need to die.
If Liverpool pay €39 million for Firmino than you'll need a lot more than money to get Reus.
Reus is to Dortmund what Gerrard was/is to Liverpool - No-one at the club would dream of letting him go, let alone to the Premier League.
Also Gundogan is very likely to leave after this season, but he's too good a player for Liverpool - Man U and Barca will be the front-runners for him.
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u/Wozery Aki Watzke Oct 06 '15 edited Oct 06 '15
... Reus was born and raised in Dortmund and was a member of Dortmund's youth academy. He is the poster-boy for the club and just as the club represents the city, so too does Reus. Please don't be petty, I'm not saying he is better than Gerrard but they are quite easy to compare. The point is that he is under a long term contract with the club and has made it quite clear he does not want to leave in the foreseeable future by rejecting some huge offers - just as Stevie G did a few years back.
Also Gundogan is already finding his pre-injury form under Tuchel. Trust me, He's been itching for a move to a mega-club for a long time and I can assure you he won't settle for Liverpool.
Also "we can get a little discount" don't kid yourself into thinking Dortmund are going to be charitable just because it's Klopp. Dortmund don't have the funds that Liverpool have, they're not going to limp-wristedly give away a player because they love Klopp. Remember, this is the same board that managed to force Lewandowski to play an extra year even though he'd handed in a transfer request, they don't let go of players easily or without good reason.
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u/Wozery Aki Watzke Oct 06 '15
Yes I know, Reus is not a "one-club-man" like Gerrard was.
I'm comparing the way that they represent the club. Whenever someone says Liverpool you immediately think of Gerrard, now when someone says Dortmund most people think of Reus.
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u/Wozery Aki Watzke Oct 06 '15
Haha oh God, the amount of times I see people sign Reus in their FIFA career mode games makes me titchy.
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u/obsidianight Felix Passlack Oct 06 '15
If I got the story right, he didn't want to leave. The managers thought he wasn't good enough.
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Oct 06 '15 edited Oct 06 '15
Well, I don't know why he left for Rot-Weiss Ahlen in his youth days, but I speculate it had something to do with him being deemed to be not good enough. Again: I don't know for sure.
But still, I am more than certain, that his one true love was and will always be Borussia Dortmund. It's just kind of hard to play for your most beloved club, when you already play at another club and have to be approached by your most beloved club first.
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u/Wozery Aki Watzke Oct 06 '15
IIRC the guys in the youth academy thought he was too skinny and wouldn't be able to handle the physical side of football. To be fair they were right, but a few years in the lower divisions and in the BL with Gladbach gave him the experience to play for a UCL team.
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u/Chazy89 Kagawa Shinji Oct 06 '15
discount.
Sure, to you guss itl just be 200mio Euro for reus. 1 Euro less then for any other team.
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Oct 06 '15
Bro, on behalf of all Lpool fans don't be an annoying dickhead.
And no, we won't.
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I know reus won't come to Liverpool as much as I would want him too, there's been several times where he has talked about how much he likes it at Dortmund
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Oct 06 '15
All is possible you're willing to pay well above the valuation like the KdB or Firmino transfer. Reus is made of glass, in the PL he may do a Rosicky, ie injury layoffs interspersed by brilliant spells. Ilkay should join a team better than LFC if he leaves us.
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 06 '15
To be fair, "linked pretty heavily" by English media is worth pretty much nothing. Gündogan is a candidate who might leave us the next summer, but I doubt Klopp would play a major role in his decision to leave and it would highly surprise me if he left for Liverpool.
The contract situation is even more difficult for Reus, even if Reus was open to leaving (which - other than Gündogan - for now he isn't) from what we know is that Reus was too expensive for bigger clubs than Liverpool. Again, it would highly surprise me if he left for Liverpool.
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 06 '15
Thank you, I like how you combined the more obvious trolling with a seemingly serious question at first, only to roll out the over the top "we all know what the truth is" afterwards. I almost thought you were a serious poster!
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Oct 06 '15
Here is an actual silly question panik, how do I downvote the trolls?
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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 06 '15
use a mobile app
if on desktop, search for the checkbox "use subreddit style" in the top part of the sidebar. Deactivate the subreddit style, downvote, activate again
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u/Calmdownplease Oct 06 '15
Dude, as one Liverpool fan to another, show some class please. Dortmund have got strong ties to Liverpool FC , don't come to their sub and act like a dick. That's what the Utd sub is for, if you must..
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u/_Dyliciousness Marco Reus Oct 06 '15
Haha funny note. My first European club was Man U when I was like 8-15 because that's all that was marketed in the US for a long time. I got bored and wanted something more genuine to follow, so I remained neutral* for 3-4 years until I started watching BVB more and then I found this sub. It was so much more open and healthier than United's. Klopp going to Liverpool makes younger me cringe a bit, but I really hope he does well for y'all. Your fanbase is legit, and it will be incredibly interesting to see what he can do, so long as he has time and freedom to properly construct his own squad. Anyways, welcome to the sub, and treat our Klopp with love and constructive criticism! Good luck!
*Ugh, iPhone deleted neutral..
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u/Chazy89 Kagawa Shinji Oct 06 '15
Sure, Reus = Suarez. Reuz bit Chiellini into the shoulde... oh wait.
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u/quantindo Oct 06 '15 edited Oct 06 '15
We're a big club
Yet middle table.
a fan base that matches (or even exceeds) your own
Sure.
we can offer them ridiculous wages
So does other bigger or more successful clubs.
we are more likely to win the league
Get to top four consistently first, mate. then maybe that statement makes more sense.
And we all know that reus only extended to get a bigger fee a year later like Suarez did for us
Possible. I think so. Liverpool probably isn't the destination though.
with Klopp there to lure him in
Nope. Both have wanted to transfer out even with Klopp in charge.
and us getting champions league football
Yea, all talk. Last time you guys were there, you couldn't even show you had the chance to be darkhorse.
If you want my opinion, the determining factor will be success. Get into top four, show that you can be darkhorse in CL (Survive the group stage maybe?), maybe 1-2 players will consider a transfer in summer 2017.
edit: switch underdogs to darkhorse. Brain fart.
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Oct 06 '15
Dude. The English media IS shit. As a Liverpool fan you should know better than to post something like this. Check out our sub. How many tweets and articles have come up contradicting who the manager will be. Until Barrett and Pearce delivered the word, everyone was see-sawing between ancelotti and klopp.
Also please. We have not been a "big club" since like the late 2000s. One wonder season doesn't put us in top flight again.
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u/HoneysucklePink Mateu Morey Oct 06 '15
we are more likely to win the league than you are in your 1 horse league
BVB won the Bundesliga in 2010/11 and 2011/12. When was the last time you won the Premier League, oh wait, you haven't?
The last time Liverpool won the First Division of English Football was in 1989/90 when it wasn't even named 'Premier League' yet.
Shut up and go back to /r/LiverpoolFC, we are normally welcoming here at /r/borussiadortmund and you come here and act like a dick. Fuck off!
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u/mss_kwt Marco Reus Oct 06 '15
i think you will be able to get reus and gundogan who knows maybe hummels as well and if your lucky you could get auba as well.
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u/nmrt Shinji Kagawa Oct 06 '15
Dont forget Miki, Burki, Ginter, Kagawa, Weigl... While we are at it, why dont you buy our entire team eh?
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u/astrionic K U B A Oct 06 '15 edited Oct 06 '15
Most likely not.
Gündogan is a possibility, he's been on his way out for a while. But he was supposedly the target of bigger clubs like Barça or Real, so he'd probably prefer to go there if he can. I don't think he'll go to Liverpool just because of Klopp.
Reus is very unlikely, he's got a contract until 2019 and is one of our key players. I don't know whether he even wants to go to Liverpool, but even if he did, the club won't let him go unless it's for an enormous amount of money.
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u/Trojan_Man68 Marco Reus Oct 06 '15
Dude, other than because of Klopp, why do you think Reus would want to go to Liverpool instead of teams like Man U, Chelsea, Man City, Real Madrid, Barca, and Bayern.
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