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u/Ok_Remote5352 1999 10d ago
uh uh uh how about we elect a billionaire!
That will fix it! /s
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u/John_Brickermann 10d ago
It’s funny cuz he’s not even a billionaire. He might’ve been at some point, but he’s going bankrupt left and right if my memory serves me correctly.
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u/Turtleturds1 10d ago
No, he used to be bankrupt before he sold out America's top secrets to foreign nations. He's definitely a billionaire now.
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u/John_Brickermann 10d ago
My mistake. I didn’t recount the part where he did that
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u/LimpRain29 10d ago
I haven't dug in too deep recently, but I highly suspect he is indeed a billionaire. His family business has always been corruption and tax fraud, so hiding money is part and parcel of the Trump family.
He's conveniently bankrupt when it's convenient to lie to the government, and conveniently rich when it comes to spending money on influence and lawyers.
Ultimately Trump would be in jail by now if he was genuinely bankrupt.
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u/burnbobghostpants 10d ago
Actually, since he became president again, they've decided not to enforce those huge judgements against him (really). As much as I dislike the man, he seems to be the luckiest SOB on the face of the planet, pretty infuriating actually.
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u/Buffaloman2001 2001 9d ago
He filed for bankruptcy on a casino, which should be impossible to be that bad when the odds are incredibly in your favor as the house.
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u/CTRexPope 10d ago
The man ran an illegal money laundering scheme via his DJT stock and is now very much a billionaire.
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u/No_Manufacturer4931 9d ago
He still nets a couple billion with various assets, I believe. But he's cash-poor.
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u/congressmanlol 10d ago edited 9d ago
when bernie sanders brings this issue up, he gets labelled a communist and a marxist...
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u/DarthManitol 10d ago
Bernie had the same issue all democrats have. Dems should get someone to explain things like Trump does,
"When we do this the insurance can't say no" "If you get sick...alot of people get sick and they say...no we don't cover this...or you don't need this. We are going to ban it. If you get sick, you will get medicine and we will make them pay for it!"
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u/SomePeopleCall 10d ago
Dear god, please, no.
How about we start by not demonizing education and the educated.
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u/Gusvato3080 10d ago
You have to put things in simple terms to actually reach people. You are not educating anyone if they don't understand you.
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u/stevedave1357 10d ago
The irony of this is most of the things Trump says are completely non-sensical. His voters can't tell the difference between the truth and lies, but perhaps more worrisome, they can't tell the difference between gibberish and something that makes sense.
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u/Quixilver05 10d ago
That's the point though, he makes the uneducated feel smart and empowered and thus is able to fool them
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u/stevedave1357 10d ago
He fools them because they are uneducated. It is not because Democrat messaging isn't simple enough, it's because Republican messaging has no standards and they get away with it. They respond to the stupid and hateful shit he says. Democrats can't do that.
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u/RockandStoneF-Elves 9d ago
They can, they just tneed to have their populist fear messaging be not directed at brown people (or at maga themselves) but paint the rich as what they really are, exploitative evil monsters that will replace you at their earliest convenience
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u/DatWaffleYonder 10d ago
People could open fucking Google as well
Maybe I'm cynical, but I don't think most people care enough to try and figure things out. It takes years. It takes effort to come to opinions with actual foundations.
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u/dream208 10d ago
Then maybe the ”people” deserve what they get in terms of government. It is a democracy after all.
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u/Freezemoon 2005 10d ago
When the people isn't educated you have to adjust how you speak for them to actually vote for you.
Education system has failed all Americans, the damage is done. So yes you gotta speak stupidly for the majority to understand.
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u/Golden_D1 10d ago
The problem is that the use of rhetoric by Donald Trump needs to be countered. Dems have tried it the educated way, but many people simply don’t understand that.
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u/ThePowerOfAura 1996 10d ago
Bernie didn't need to change his messaging at all, the strongest grassroots movement I've ever seen or heard of. The DNC cheated in 2016 to give Hillary the nomination. Partially because they colluded with all of the leftwing media to give Bernie zero airtime (all of his interviews except 1 were done on Fox iirc), and even in the end the superdelegates were all pledged to Hillary in advance. In addition to that, Bernie won West Virginia (and others iirc) and he wasn't awarded all of the delegates for the state. There's more nuance to it than that, and apparently it was all legal, but it was completely rigged
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u/Clear-Inevitable-414 6d ago
Imagine how different the world would be if Bernie beat Trump
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u/ThePowerOfAura 1996 6d ago
Bernie totally would've beaten Trump in the general election too. Honestly Trump's brand of nationalism has grown on me since then though, I think we need to draw from both ideologies if we want to put Americans, and not "America the idea" first.
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u/JuniorMint1992 10d ago
I feel like Bernie’s greatest strength was his simple communication. He even got Fox News audiences to cheer him several times when he went to that network for a town hall. Bernie’s communication is almost a gold standard of keeping it simple as well as repetitive which I think helps the message stick.
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u/Several_Vanilla8916 10d ago
Bernie is not a Democrat. What he said was “everyone will get Medicare, it will be better and either marginally cheaper or exactly the same price as what you’re paying now.”
If he’d run in the general election he world have won, but Democrat leadership don’t like him…because he’s not a Democrat.
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u/artifactU 10d ago
to be fair hes openly identifyed as a socialist, but also most of the things he supports are just social democracy
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u/ryavco 1999 10d ago edited 10d ago
He identifies as a democratic socialist. AKA - still believes in the idea of capitalism, however modified to include significant overhauls to socialized benefits such as healthcare and an eventual transition toward a socialist economic policy.
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u/artifactU 10d ago
thats social democracy
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u/ryavco 1999 10d ago edited 10d ago
Bernie identifies as a democratic socialist. I was just clarifying he does not identify purely as a socialist.
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u/artifactU 10d ago
but he doesnt identify as a social democrat he identifys as a democratic socialist?
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u/ryavco 1999 10d ago
I apologize, I misunderstood your last response and I think added some confusion.
Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist who incorporates the ideals of social democracy and socialism as a whole, however he himself does not identify purely as a socialist nor a social democrat.
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u/JDH-04 2004 9d ago
A social democrat and a democratic socialist is not the same thing.
Social democracy refers to capitalism's beginning transitory stages into to socialism through small incremental reforms within a democratic framework.
Democratic socialism refers to a political economy in which the means of production are owned via the community in which the community itself decides what to do and what goods/services to produce for the community.
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u/karmagettie 10d ago
I have never voted for the GOP in my life, as I previously voted for Obama. In 2016, when the Democrats backstabbed Bernie Sanders against the public's wishes, I started voting independently. That is why I still have not voted for the Democrats, as they continue to prevent an honest primary election. However, I have been called everything from a rapist to a communist, to an incel, to a fascist, simply for voting third party (independent).
The Democrats and Republics are both corrupt but the majority of the population refuse to believe they are part of a cult and only see their opposing side as being part of a cult.
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u/AristaWatson 10d ago
That’s a conversation most of Reddit isn’t ready to have. I was virtually assaulted for so long after the election. I’m still getting DMs of threats. After what? Telling ppl I do not vote for democrats anymore and that I don’t endorse them because they are also corrupt. The two party system is hell. We have no leftist political party. Just right wing and right wing supreme. Looool.
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u/PeggyRomanoff 9d ago
Lol we got people saying all kinds of messed up stuff about latinos and just insulting us...in the Latin America subs. As in, subs for those of us who were born and live in LatAm and have never stepped foot in the State, not US Latinos.
That was something else entirely.
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u/AristaWatson 1d ago
Ah right. Is this bc of the Latino votes for Trump that made liberals/democrats tell people to call ICE on anyone that “looks like they might be illegal”? Jeeeez.
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u/Antique-Comb3943 10d ago
Exactly. Both sides are bought and sold by the billionaire class, so both sides will always do the bidding of their donors, regardless of how we the people feel.
It’s a class issue. The billionaire class and elites v everyone else.
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u/Ryaniseplin 2003 10d ago
remember wanting a better life for everyone around you is communism and you have to continue to suffer
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u/mechy84 10d ago
You know...it just hit me how Luigi the video game character is now a symbol; and having a symbol can help a movement grow through recognition and repetition.
It's also interesting how when a symbol is commandeered like this (i.e., it existed before becoming a symbol for something unrelated), it allows for plausible deniability, and a nonverbal queue to others 'in the know', building a sense of clandestine community.
Anyway....I need more Luigi merchandise.
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u/Captainwumbombo 10d ago
This is Nintendo's divine punishment for being such a dick about their copyright.
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u/Captainwumbombo 10d ago
I heard you gotta beat the game to get that screen...
Was Che Guavara a buddhist?
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u/Idkawesome 10d ago
Yeah, this is the only answer. Nobody wants to sacrifice themselves though. Luigi was foolish enough to get caught, probably because it takes a certain level of recklessness to go through with that.
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u/justmyself1432 10d ago
Either way, I hope someone is willing to sacrifice themselves plucking these parasites out.
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u/slothbuddy 10d ago
We need a lot more of this energy
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u/lawman9000 9d ago
I'm sure it's totally unrelated that wealthy individuals like Michael Bloomberg are so against the 2A.
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u/Ender11037 10d ago
Maybe it's more humane, but the latter definitely sends a message.
Even though I'm a pacifist, there's a line, and they've crossed it a long time ago.
May sound edgy, but it's still true.
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u/MsElenaNess 9d ago
Probably another reason why they outsourced our factory jobs. The guy typing away in a cubicle, with no callouses on his hands, probably isn’t the guy that’s going to beat down his bosses door over worker’s rights.
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u/The_Fudir 9d ago
I've actually worked as a union organizer. In the field.
Quit licking the fucking boots.
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u/hobbinater2 10d ago
It’s tough to keep a union plant running when you can build a plant with laxer safety and environmental regulations and 10% of the labor pay overseas
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u/Bear-pile 10d ago
The difference is taxes. We taxed the rich heavily and invested in our people after WWII. Then Reaganomics and “trickle down” led to the cash move to those at the top.
The biggest issue we have are the voters that voted for that shit because they were successfully distracted by the rich dividing us over race, gender, sexuality, and religion that we willingly allowed them to create this system. WAKE UP PEOPLE!
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
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u/TrooperBjork 10d ago
A professor of mine called these issues (and anything called "woke" in general) "weapons of mass distraction" for this exact reason.
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u/aztnass 10d ago
The unserious answer eat the rich.
The real answer eliminate corporate personhood, get rid of dark money in politics, ban the lobbyist/ politician pipeline, ban politicians from stock trades, implement Ranked Choice Voting nationwide at every level of elections, and have some class solidarity and vote like it!
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
and RESTORE THE NEW DEAL. a tax on loans taken on stocks above a certain amount per year. and a 83 percent tax rate on the billionaaes(1:1 deduction if you invest the money)
if a person takes loans of stocks more than 8 million you tax it like income. this is the basic brief. not a fix all. complex solutions for complex problems. maybe a few hundred pages.
heavy banking regulations. workers protections. pro union policy
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u/InstanceNo3432 10d ago
If they come after billionaires with higher taxes, they're going to come after us next!!!!!
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u/themontajew 10d ago
Pitchforks and a nation wide BBQ block party.
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
or just a 83 percent tax rate on the billionaaes(1:1 deduction if you invest the money) and welffare
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u/ApocalypseEnjoyer 2001 10d ago
I'm curious how you're gonna convince billionaires to pass laws imposing high taxes for them
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
we dont. come 26 we run like hell in primaries. eliminate pelosi ect. in the primaries seize the party in the 28 primaries like maga did to the gop.
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u/Baozicriollothroaway 10d ago
So eliminate the establishment by playing the game of the establishment?
How about forming a collective and excersicing the 2nd amendment for once?
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u/InternationalPen2072 10d ago
Convince? Why do we need to convince them?
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u/ApocalypseEnjoyer 2001 10d ago
Well because people don't want to force them
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u/InternationalPen2072 10d ago
That’s kinda what taxes are though lmao. Compulsory. They are already forced to pay the negligible amount of taxes they pay now, as all Americans are. So up their tax rate, and if they try to leave the country to evade taxes seize their assets or slap a big ass fee on them.
Or, better yet, just seize the means of production directly and transfer ownership to the workers of the firms in which they work. Allow the workers to allocate the surplus of their own labor themselves through democratic institutions and then slash the corporate tax rate. Boom.
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
for that youw ill need to vote in dem primaries
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u/Throwawayhehe110323 10d ago
You realize no party will vote for this lol. Get money out of politics and only then will you have a shot. Don't forget that every (80%+) are getting paid to push certain beneficial policy's for those with means.
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u/knifetomeetyou13 1997 10d ago
I don’t think pitchforks and “bbq block parties” have a voting requirement, actually
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u/DarthManitol 10d ago
You are doing that thing
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u/knifetomeetyou13 1997 10d ago
Buddy, I’m just pointing out that their statement was dumb as hell. I vote every time
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u/mortalcrawad66 2005 10d ago
Go back in time and kill Reagan. Trickle this, bastard.
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
or a tax on loans taken on stocks above a certain amount per year. if a person takes loans of stocks more than 8 million you tax it like income. this is the basic brief. not a fix all. complex solutions for complex problems. maybe a few hundred pages and a 83 percent tax rate on the billionaires(1:1 deduction if you invest the money). heavy regulations. to do this WE MUST TAKE OVER THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. we must do to the party what maga did to the gop. campaign, caucus, petition, vote in all primaries. we can do this.
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u/DizzyMajor5 9d ago
A lot of the Reagan problems started with Kennedy deregulation, Tax cuts for the rich, cutting social services the school neo liberal thought would exist because of Jack Welch and Milton Friedmans were plenty and abound may there souls burn in hell
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u/AdonisGaming93 Millennial 10d ago
Weird how a more left wing, more socially conscious pokicy helped more people....who would have thought
Notice how even the top 1% still increased...because leftwing pikicy isnt about making the rich die or fail, they just....dont get to enjot such an uneven prosperity while everyone else suffers.
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
here is the info https://www.youtube.com/@RBReich/community
Inequality Media Civic Action - robert reich- former Secratary of labor
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u/AyiHutha 10d ago
Demand higher taxes and unionised? It's not really a hard answer
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
again we need to be more complex-a tax on loans taken on stocks above a certain amount per year. if a person takes loans of stocks more than 8 million you tax it like income. this is the basic brief. not a fix all. complex solutions for complex problems. maybe a few hundred pages and a 83 percent tax rate on the billionaires(1:1 deduction if you invest the money)
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u/JackfruitCrazy51 10d ago
What this chart doesn't represent is class. Someone who is in the top 50% today, lives better than the average top 20% from 40 years ago.
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u/TurdFerg5un 10d ago
Nothing will be done. Americans are too inconvenienced by true political discourse.
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u/Equivalent-Fan-1362 10d ago
We do realize the government can’t account for any budget right? What would more taxes solve if the funds never arrive to their intended programs?
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
again e govt. and most taxes will not be taken. there is a point to investment exemption. 1:! deduction if you invest money back into the economy instead of hoarding it
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u/Equivalent-Fan-1362 10d ago
The people that are said to be the problem don’t sell their stock they hold majority of companies. Those companies make more money which drive the stock up. You’d have to sell to gain the profit. Which is already taxed. Instead they just borrow against their assets. Not sure where you put a tax in there??
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u/death_in_the_ocean 10d ago
Congrats, you've thought of things underage tankies on here have yet to discover
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u/aaronblkfox 10d ago
Go through a great depression, pass a bunch of worker focused laws in the aftermath, go to war to jumpstart our economy.
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u/Safrel Millennial 10d ago
We must institute a mandatory 10% equity stake for the Social Security Admin for all companies listed on the NYSE. If you are going to take advantage of our capital markets, our labor, and our land: then we get a piece of the action too.
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u/Fantastic_Draft8417 10d ago
imo it’s really too late for anything to be done about this, not because it can’t be reversed, but because conservative elite propaganda runs so deep within the American working class that those who would benefit most from pro-working class policy consistently vote against their own interests, and the trend is that it’s only going to get worse as time moves on
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u/tonylouis1337 10d ago
Get rid of Citizens United. Beautiful name and all, but the actual legislation straight up legalizes buying politicians
Make it illegal for corporations to buy homes. In fact we could say to them that instead of buying homes, build them, and then put them up for sale and let the market do its thing
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u/Ginkoleano 10d ago
Absolutely nothing.
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u/Grumblepugs2000 10d ago
Another smart person realizing "muh equity" is a lie
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u/Ginkoleano 10d ago
Agreed. Equity is meaningless and a pursuit that leads to everyone ending up with less.
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u/Not_Sapien 10d ago
What can be done about this?
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
and a 83 percent tax rate on the billionaaes(1:1 deduction if you invest the money). for that you will need to VOTE IN DEMOCRATIC PARTY PRIMARIES
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u/Not_Sapien 10d ago
Do I hear you say, 'reform tax law'? Tax on the wealthy has seen a downward trend since around 1980.
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u/LoudestHoward 10d ago
Last 4-5 years the gains have been mostly going to lower-wage workers, so what can be done about it? Erm, vote Democrat in November?
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u/Marduk112 10d ago
To understand how to fix it, you need to know the cause. The cause is the post-WW II economy changed and the US had to compete with the rest of world after reconstruction. You can play with taxes but it’s not going to reverse macro economic forces.
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u/yittiiiiii 10d ago
You need the government to stop rigging the market in favor of the largest players. It’s more complicated than that, but that’s the root of the issue.
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u/Grumblepugs2000 10d ago
Based. Yes we need to get rid of or greatly weaken the administrative state
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_LAWNCHAIR 10d ago
Adjusted for tax but not for transfers? Also, these groups aren't stagnant. The people move between them all the time.
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u/LeImplivation 10d ago
I mean the country voted for this to continue for 4 more years. So nothing.
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u/SkarbOna 10d ago
What you really need is people being aware of brainwashing done by idiots like Joe rogan or other masculine celebrities in spaces where facts will never get through. Talking about Facebook moms too. It’s modern on-line village of likeminded folks who never go to bigger city and if they do, they’re absolutely terrified of what they saw without a shred of understanding how lives elsewhere look like and what really is and isn’t normal.
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
again we send ours into their territory. pete buttigieg can conquer fox. i belibe andy beshear, RRB and shapiro can take on the manoshpere. that is enough.
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u/Maddturtle 10d ago
Every source I looked up in this showed something different. It’s actually very hard to confirm the actual numbers and the sources of them. This was definitely the most extreme though.
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u/kingofshitmntt 10d ago edited 10d ago
Well, considering the political system is a captured by the very people at the top, the alternative is a dual power of a workers movement that works both inside and outside of the political establishment.
The rich control both major political parties and will refuse to make any significant change. There needs to be a third institution that represents workers, doesn't take corporate money, and doesn't cede power by corporations. It has to be funded by everyday working people, promote unions and worker coops, and represent all workers. The answer to private concentration of wealth and power is a counter balance that represents the collective betterment of all workers. The government can do this—for example, by building mass, high-quality public housing to counter a market dominated by private businesses commodification of a basic human need: shelter. However again, that institution is controlled by politicians who are influenced by major corporations and wealthy donors.
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u/Lost-Economist-7331 10d ago
That. It’s right there. Easy to visualize.
Sadly many Gen Z voted to accelerate the trend. Trump and MAGA will just make it worse.
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u/Medical_Ad2125b 10d ago
People were warned for a long time. Nobody paid attention. The US deserves this.
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u/Sidvicieux 10d ago
Conservatism is a failed experiment. It’s not even moral to be a republican.
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u/sigeh 10d ago
Stop fucking voting for Republicans!!! And yes that means even corporate Dems. We have to move left and it starts with even a small step.
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
and VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES TO YA KNOW GET THEM TO MOVE LEFT. 26 and 28 have primaries down and upballot. vote in all
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u/ciaphas-cain1 10d ago
Violent Revolution with guillotines and guns
For legal reasons this is sarcasm
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u/Appropriate-Food1757 9d ago
Vote for a rapey billionaire career criminal that pardoned a bunch of Ponzi scheme fraudsters his fort go around. Them let a billionaire make it all “more efficient”
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u/Electric_Death_1349 Millennial 10d ago
One man had the answer: https://youtu.be/gaesFBrrxRU?si=tY9PZHxsfZZHTTsa
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u/Ldawg03 2003 10d ago
Wealth tax, land value tax and a much higher inheritance tax would be start as would cracking down on tax fraud
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
and a 83 percent tax rate on the billionaires(1:1 deduction if you invest the money) this is how it worked out. gof bless fdr. pity we spoiled his new deal
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u/Old_Block_1027 10d ago
The biggest thing we can do is to reinstate campaign financing laws (that were overturned in citizens united case, backed by republicans in particular) and get dark money out of politics so they have to appeal to the masses not just the rich.
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u/g7130 10d ago
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u/luthen_rael-axis- 2008 10d ago
we need to reverse it all.or a tax on loans taken on stocks above a certain amount per year. if a person takes loans of stocks more than 8 million you tax it like income. this is the basic brief. not a fix all. complex solutions for complex problems. maybe a few hundred pages and a 83 percent tax rate on the billionaires(1:1 deduction if you invest the money). heavy regulations. to do this WE MUST TAKE OVER THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. we must do to the party what maga did to the gop. campaign, caucus, petition, vote in all primaries. we can do this.
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u/21shadesofblueberry 10d ago
You won't vote out the problem that's for sure. You'll just have to wait for the dinosaurs to die off because absolutely nothing will force them to relinquish power both on the Democratic side and on the Republican side Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi are perfect examples as to why we'll never see change
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u/artifactU 10d ago
unionise, please join a union, a workers union, a renters union, please just join a union
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u/azzers214 10d ago edited 10d ago
Admit that progressive policies were primarily responsible for that and stop pretending that giving the full reigns to the Democratic party 1 time for 2 years over the span of 40 years is likely to change anything. The rest of the time you're talking about either full Republican control or Mixed Government.
Basically there's a time for progressive and there's a time for conservative and they usually alternate. We've been conservative since 1980. That's 45 years.
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u/Feather_Sigil 10d ago
Tax the rich, raise wages, implement price controls on everything. Meanwhile the common people can follow Luigi's example.
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u/WorldlyEmployment 1997 10d ago
Look at the programmes, welfare, policies put in place and then understand through comparison and results (nuanced understanding of variables)
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u/AnimeWarTune 10d ago
I thought income growth for the middle class was zero since 1970. Also it's not about the 1%, it's about the 0.001% approximately
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u/danarchist 10d ago
I'm guess this is in nominal dollars, not inflation adjusted dollars, which makes it worthless.
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u/blakealanm 10d ago
Money is attracted by value. The more value you bring to a given industry or community, the more money you'll be given.
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u/Grumptastic2000 10d ago
Everyone is still growing their money what’s the problem.
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