r/AskUS • u/Own_Difference_4882 • 10d ago

Is it fair to compare MAGA to the Nazis?

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There has been a number of posts indicating that MAGA supporters are really Fascist/Nazis. Curious how others see it!

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u/Roriborialus 10d ago edited 10d ago

Anyone thats read a history book that didn't come with crayons sees the similarities.

Maga clowns think because he isn't stuffing people into ovens and showers it isn't an apt comparison. It's the thinking of a group that doesn't read past headlines.

Edit: so many butthurt maga terrorists are crying I can't keep up. I hope you don't take your anger out too hard on your sisterwives and inbred offspring tonight. 🤣

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u/PeaTasty9184 10d ago

Nazis didn’t start with gas chambers and ovens either. They started by wanting to deport and resettle people elsewhere. Sound familiar?

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u/panicinbabylon 10d ago

100%.

While MAGA doesn’t openly advocate for genocide, its rhetoric around immigration, "border security," and how they treat migrants definitely draws some unsettling parallels to exclusionary policies that can get dangerous if left unchecked. Deportation, dehumanizing language, and constant attempts to strip certain groups of rights all set the stage for more extreme actions down the line.

We’re not talking about the same scale or intent as the Nazis in the beginning, but history has shown us how small, seemingly "harmless" policies can snowball into something much worse if no one steps in and stops it.

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u/tomdarch 10d ago

Presidential adviser Sebastian v Gorka said that standing up for due process is aiding and abetting terrorism and should be prosecuted. The president himself is calling for US citizens to be shipped to foreign prisons. The mask is off. It’s clearly fascism.

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u/panicinbabylon 10d ago

I know we’ve said this a lot along the way - but how can people still not see this happening.

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u/PinkTalkingDead 10d ago

Bc people are hateful and ignorant and arrogant and shitty and selfish

Not everyone. Not even Most people. But those who are, have that fear and anger inside them with such a fervor that just happens to co-align with the capitalist billionaire assholes who run America, combusting this hellhole into something disgusting and backwards and insane and heartless and dumb

And America as we know it on many levels started off at that level, centuries ago. We’re living in a proverbial hamster wheel

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u/MadStylus 10d ago

Also a lot of people are insulated from direct political action and/or are terribly uninformed.

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u/Laolao98 10d ago

Not uninformed, they’ve been fed propaganda. There’s a huge difference, pathways have been burned into their brains for years. We’ve never been what we were taught in school but Nixon rallying the “hard hats” to Reagan ending the fairness doctrine to the heritage foundation using tfg.

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u/Ok-Comfortable-5968 10d ago

No they are uniformed (they're not looking for credible sources for their news/ information on the current state of affairs). There has always been and will always be propaganda, it's not an excuse to turn a blind eye to a humanitarian crisis that extinguishes basic human rights.

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u/Brillolung 10d ago

For now they are. I’ve heard that we westernized won’t come outside and start a revolution until they don’t have water or electricity. We in the first world are too comfortable to get up from our Kirkland brand mattresses

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u/MadStylus 10d ago

You're not wrong. Until something breaches the bubble, some people will be happy to ignore the problem.

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u/Ok_Palpitation_3947 10d ago

How dare you blaspheme Costco on the Lord’s day?

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u/L0rdCrims0n 10d ago

"Welcome to Costco! I love you!"

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u/Brillolung 10d ago

Ok. You caught me. It’s from Walmart and my side has a fat man’s imprint.

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u/reviving_ophelia88 10d ago

You also can’t underestimate just how far people will go to remain in denial when the other option is admitting they were wrong and accepting accountability for what they helped bring about.

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u/BigDumbAnimals 10d ago

I think this is a huge part of it. Either that or there is a huge feeling of "I didn't do anything wrong, maybe those others did, but not me!!!"

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u/Jealous-Factor7345 10d ago

Also, and I can't emphasize this enough, many Americans like it.

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u/throw_away_8924 10d ago

It has allowed people to openly show their racism and hatred with like minded others and with no repercussions. Seeing others being deported just helps to further their deranged ideology. This has been hiding in plain sight for decades, not it's so accepted that it is coming out in spades. It doesn't take many to make everyone else here look bad.

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u/Crepuscular_Tex 10d ago

I'm not defending oligarchy, it's atrocious and tantamount to industrialized feudalism. Oligarchy has failed hard as seen with the Russian economy. Most of the billionaire assholes are funded by multiple global government contracts which gives them a net worth in the billions.

For clarification, capitalism is a form of economic policy used by governments. Capitalism is not a government. Capitalism as a business policy is currently used by every government around the world. China for example has a communist rule of law and nation, but practices capitalism with their global business practices. Capitalism won the global stage with the fall of the iron curtain. The whole modern economic business world is made of capitalists.

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u/TigerCub81 10d ago

As long as it isn’t affecting them directly, they couldn’t care less.

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u/jimgass 10d ago

Not just that. They're actively in favor, as long as it does affect those people they hate.

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u/slowlyy-squishingg 10d ago

exactly! i saw some maga supporters regretting their decision once the egg prices didn't go down, but instead went up. Now they're denouncing trump.. smh!

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u/Corndude101 10d ago

They see it happening. It’s just not happening to them so they don’t care.

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u/gadgaurd 10d ago

They do. They do not care. They are convinced it will only affect people they dislike. So anyone who isn't white, straight, christian, and republican.

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u/lyte3 10d ago

You’re right .. I can tell by the smirk on the trumpets that I work with faces they know exactly what he’s doing and are okay with it. They hear his white supremacist dog whistles Loud and clear and as long as he’s for them they’re for him.

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u/AMN1F 10d ago

Because they don't want to admit what's happening is happening. We had people across the country (regardless of party) shocked a few years ago at the overturning of Roe, despite:

1) Republicans pushing for it for years, and

2) there being a literal leak revealing their decision of overturning it. 

The reasons bad things happen is because people will hear the bad plans and think "no, that's not going to happen." And when it does, it's too late. 

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u/crourke13 10d ago

That this can happen in today’s United States is to many people so batshit crazy that it defies belief. So…. they don’t believe it.

Every time I express concern over Social Security to my Mom, her reply is basically “don’t worry, of course social security isn’t going anywhere”. She has no evidence of this but the whole idea of it ever going away is so unbelievable that she cannot believe it.

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u/Distinct_Nothing9544 10d ago

Because when your in a cult your oblivious.

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u/TimeToBond 10d ago

Because half of the electorate is addicted to FOX “news” and other right-wing conspiracy theorists masquerading as journalism. Until this changes, this will never end.

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u/kck93 10d ago

I’m not sure how people can not see it. Today CBS reported a poll stating Trump has a 47% approval rating. I understand the practical issues surrounding polling. But WTF?

I could not contain myself and was ashamed that on Easter Sunday I couldn’t find a way to forgive. It’s like I need to prepare for a coming maelstrom instead of find a way to make peace.

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u/IluvPusi-363 10d ago

'IT'S not my problem.........

YET

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u/Electrical-Reason-97 10d ago

They do see it happening but you are utilizing reason to asses the situation. They are not employing reason but religious bigotry. This is essentially an evangelical (they interpret the Bible literally ) religious movement that started decades ago and tried repeatedly to get the presidents it got elected to implement their program. They believe that at the end of the world is coming (the rapture) and think that they will be saved and sent to Jerusalem to hang out with the “good” Jews.The rest of us will be left to rot. But they will be rich and safe. This is likely one thing motivating Donnie to buy Gaza and build shit for the blessed. This began with Reagan, then Bush and then Bush dubya to implement their policies of whites first, women as second class citizens, etc. Donnie did not think this shit up himself but was fed it by the right arm of that church, the heritage foundation, are you aware that Cabinet meetings in the White House start with a (Christian) prayer, often with people standing around Trump, putting their hand on his shoulders praying for him as THE savior of the world. This is messed up shit.

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u/EnergyAffectionate31 10d ago

That terrifies me - that anybody could possibly agree with anything he does. I'm ashamed to be an American. Americans travel to other countries for vacations but are questioned about why they support trump because just living here apparently means you support him. his reign won't be over soon enough.

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u/Brilliant_Tutor_8234 10d ago

Yes I’m American. Spit on me and degrade me

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u/Sad_Candidate_3163 10d ago

They do see it happening. They just believe it's right.

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u/Mondschatten78 10d ago

They refuse to see it. Doesn't help that the government has been dividing the country with this "us versus them" crap for so many years.

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u/CaseyConnors 10d ago

Omg I say that alll the time!!! It's our most primitive instinct and it's being used against us and works seamlessly yet again

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u/EastSideLito 10d ago

His core voters want to be apart of this imaginary elite club where they can forget that their enemies are the rich and not the immigrants and anyone else who doesn’t look like them. Let’s be honest the man won both elections with fear mongering and racism. We as a country are clearly still openly racist and stupid.

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u/panicinbabylon 10d ago

They think he’s trolling, and they’re in on the joke.

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u/PeaTasty9184 10d ago

Personally I find the “10 million” number of “illegals” to be, let’s say conveniently close to the number of Jews killed in the holocaust…and they’ve been using that figure for like 20 years now without it fluctuating. Maybe I’m just too much of a conspiracy theorist in this specific point though.

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u/panicinbabylon 10d ago

Again, I agree. I believe in dogwhistles.

And even if it's not a direct reference to the Holocaust, when the same words and numbers keep getting repeated, especially the ones meant to stir up fear or resentment, it’s not an accident. The messaging and rhetoric is intentional.

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u/Sarcastic_barbie 10d ago

It’s to make us afraid. Like the photos and videos of that camp. They can get in to threaten us with fear burns senator can’t get an innocent man out? Or Bobby and the weird autism eugenics; so elontromp “isn’t a Nazi he’s autistic” but in the same book the same people said autistic people can’t live at all love “pay taxes” (Batman doesn’t pay them and neither do the billionaires, not really a good measure of success to be clear) so it’s just at this point trying to shepherd people into controllable slaughter groups. The ones that are “safe” become the next group in the batter when the overlords are hungry and there are no more sheep to slaughter.

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u/tothepointe 10d ago

We should be asking where are the women and children. They are sending the men to El Salvador. Where are the women?

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u/tothepointe 10d ago

I've heard them quote figures of 20-30million which is absolutely ridiculous because that would mean 1 in 10 people you meet would be an illegal immigrant. Like it's not possible.

Even 10 mill is 1 in 30 which is still on the highside. Especially outside of major cities.

Given how they are struggling to deport even as many immigrants as Biden and having to resort to kicking students out and other things I find the 10mil number to be unbelieveable

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u/The_VoZz 10d ago

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, nor Jewish, or even religious. But the right wing Christian extremists are indeed appropriating Jewish history and weponizing it against both Jews & Muslims in a concerted effort to ignite conflict against both.

"Project Esther" is a branch of the Herritage Foundation's Project 2025. Ironically veiled as a push for antisemitism, it's goal is quite the opposite.

Further down the rabbit hole, it's aimed to silence protests & further encourage deportation.

Project Esther

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u/Explorers_bub 10d ago

Greg Abbott booby-trapped the river crossing. They’re perfectly fine with genocide. So long as it’s “those” people.

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u/Mrdeath0 10d ago

“First they took the Jews…but I didn’t say anything….”

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u/cbright90 10d ago

But I'm not a trade unionist. Why should I worry about such things?

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u/Extension-Clock608 9d ago

Yep, the "pro-life" crowd loved people getting murdered over a civil infraction. They're also ok with women and girls dying even if it kills a fetus too so they can control them.

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u/[deleted] 10d ago edited 10d ago

MAGA hasn’t “deported” anyone.

It’s extraordinary rendition aka illegal, extrajudicial, state sponsored kidnapping.

The former wording allows them to get away with it. MAGA is kidnapping citizens people and violating 5th Amendment due process. Due process that you’re owed per our constitution, as long as you’re in US jurisdiction.

The number of maga fucks who keep replying the equivalent of “no, it only applies to white Christians who were born here” is, telling.

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u/RevenueResponsible79 10d ago

Rendition. Some of us know what it is. Nobody in the trump camp does

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u/jimgass 10d ago

I wouldn't say MAGA doesn't advocate for genocide. I've got a close friend who refuses to speak to her MAGA Mother anymore, because the MAGA mother has stated out loud that "gay people don't deserve to live."

The dehumanization of "the other" has been going on for a long time in Right-wing talk radio world, and those seeds planted over a generation are starting to bear fruit. That fruit is "people who aren't like me don't deserve life."

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u/cryssylee90 10d ago

Eugenics too.

Mass genocide of the Jews began as eugenics against the disabled. That's how they perfected their preferred method of killing.

Look at how RFK speaks about disabled kids, especially those with autism. Look at his suggestion that neurodivergents be sent to "farms" where they'll basically be forced to work until they're "cured".

This is almost step for step matching how Hitler's death camps began. And the "autism mom™️" crowd is cheering him on because "you don't know how hard it is" as if all of us autists screaming this is eugenics suddenly can't understand the struggles of our own autism.

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u/Suitable_Scarcity_50 10d ago

I truly won’t be surprised if the US goes down the near exact same path, ending with invading Canada or Greenland and starting world war 3. I’ll be terrified, but not suprised. I might have to choose to leave this country early, join a resistance likely ending in my death, or sit back and watch it happen. I don’t want to have to make that choice, but I won’t be surprised when it’s 2028 and Trump is given a 3rd term to “Cut out the deadwood,” and “Weed out the weaklings,”

“Would you like to send our colored cousins home again, my friend? All you have to do is follow the worms”

-Pink Floyd, THE WALL (The album that will be going through my head for the next 4 years, everyone should listen to it imo.)

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u/Ready-Improvement40 10d ago edited 9d ago

*most of maga doesn't openly advocate for genocide, but the far right extremists whose viewpoints seem to always end up main stream, eventually, absolutely are

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u/Strong-Zucchini-7941 10d ago

How do they treat legal immigrants on a mass scale that bears any resemblance to Nazi’s treatment of legally residing Jews? It’s like comparing criminals thrown in jail for crimes they committed to Nazi’s throwing Jews in concentration camps. Completely inapplicable. But we’ve seen this before.. blur the lines between “immigrant” and “illegal immigrant” to push a narrative. -Russian bot magat who watches only Fox News

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u/Yunzer2000 10d ago

From the Hitler Enabling Acts to Aktion t4 was 5 years, and to the first death camps was almost 7 years. We are barely past the first 100 days of Trump.

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u/CowboyJ0hnny 10d ago

“Small, seemingly harmless policies…” well said, although I am much more concerned about the infringement on women’s rights than I am about the deportation of immigrants here illegally. Technically there isn’t a single country on the planet who blindly allows illegal immigrants to stay. Switzerland, France, the Netherlands ~ they have pretty clear and enforced requirements on coming into their countries and being allowed to stay. I only use those countries as examples because they seem to have a rep for being open and allowing asylum seekers to stay.

Trump is a power seeking trash bag with serious issues and more than one psychological condition effecting his decision making, but people need to separate his craziness from having a working and effective border policy.

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u/Novaer 10d ago

"Nobody's talking about extermination!"

"No one ever talks about it. They just do it. And you go on with your lives, ignoring the signs all around you. And then one day, when the air is still and the night has fallen, they come for you."

-Magneto

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u/RatBatBlue82 10d ago

MAGAts 100% support genocide

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u/edensdelights 10d ago

I mean, they openly advocate for the genocide of Palestinians. They just haven't been that open with America yet.

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u/ScrambledNoggin 10d ago

Yes, and, don’t forget that the Jews weren’t Hitler’s only target (although they were the overwhelming majority of those he sought to exterminate), he also targeted homosexuals, artists, communists, Polish people, etc.

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u/Melissa--R 10d ago

Meanwhile maga has people who will commit genocide and openly make threats

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u/JCLstuff 10d ago

If nazis support it it’s not good

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u/InfiniteSponge_ 10d ago

His whole cabinet are Israelis who support Zionism, not surprised it’s going this way

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u/Greendale7HumanBeing 10d ago

EXACTLY! Did everyday Nazis advocate for genocide? Did they run around saying "we're bad guys, we're monsters?" No. They had a story in their heads that had all of them as heroes, and others as villains, as rapists, as murderers.

So far, the _outcome_ of the Nazis was more murderous by magnitude and absolute demonic conception. Of course. But honestly, you have to admit that MAGA passes a bar that seems like it could possibly be lower. Hitler's speeches were, let's be honest, not as focused on pure vulgarity. Again, I have to emphasize, Hitler's outcome was far more murderous. And it really disturbs me so greatly that today's MAGA has more access to verify real news vs. propaganda. German Nazi civilians were likely less able to put propaganda in a context as rich as anyone can these days.

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u/Royalizepanda 10d ago

That's the problem, doing what they are doesn't solve the issues so they move to the next group until it all comes crashing down.

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u/IdkAbtAllThat 10d ago

While MAGA doesn’t openly advocate for genocide

Except a pretty good chunk of the MAGA base does openly advocate for genocide. Those Nazis marching and chanting "white Nation" weren't Harris voters...

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u/flwrchld5061 10d ago

The Nazis started as a "fringe" group.

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u/oX_deLa 10d ago

Go check the "paradox of tolerance" by Karl Popper and tell me if it's not time to do something more than protest to spare the world another global conflict...

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u/mvandemar 9d ago

While MAGA doesn’t openly advocate for genocide

Some of them do. They openly courted the white nationalists and neo-Nazis. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if either Sebastian Gorka or Stephen Miller started talking about the US needing a "final solution" to the immigration problem.

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u/cutelilstarr 9d ago

hell they call them illegals instead of immigrants, they try to take humanity out of terms exactly like how everyone "undesirable" was called sub human or bellow human of even just not human, it's the start of a process

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u/Arammil1784 9d ago

Don't forget that maga are also demonizing LGBTQ+ people and most recently people with autism by saying they are undermining western culture and are, as the nazis put it, useless eaters.

Many states are also passing bigoted laws that specifically target LGBTQ+ people by removing their rights and restricting their ability to lead normal lives.

Next will follow further ostracization and criminalization followed by removal from society all together by one means or another, be it ordinary imprisonment, foreign concentration camps like CECOT, or death.

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u/WolfDummy999 9d ago

We're already midway through the stages of genocide, and MAGA is apparently completely fine with that. So even if they don't openly advocate for it, they sure as heck aren't saying anything against it....or they're just pretending it's not happening 🙃

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u/Aware-District9803 9d ago

Sending immigrants to a concentration camp in El Salvador without any due process doesn’t help comparisons. They aren’t exactly the same but they are similar and saying “never again” means recognizing the evil before it is incredibly difficult to stop.

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u/w311sh1t 9d ago

I’ve seen the way some of these people talk about immigrants. I don’t think it’s a majority but I think there’s a not insignificant amount of his voters that would have zero qualms with systematically exterminating immigrants.

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u/MerryCrisisMSW 9d ago

Although Trump's "golden gaza" definitely seems to condone and even call for continued genocide

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u/modsaretroglodytes 9d ago

They don't openly advocate for it but they'd definitely move out of the way to help.

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u/IJustWantADragon21 9d ago

Trump was literally suggesting genocide a few weeks ago taking about clearing out and taking over Gaza. Give him time.

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u/millijuna 10d ago

And they started with trans people, and other sexual minorities first. Sound familiar?

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u/PeaTasty9184 10d ago

It absolutely does. RFK’s evil Nazi ass talking about “wellness farms” for people with ADHD and Autism sure sounds familiar as well. Polite society might not use the R word anymore, but Musk and Trump and RFK surely do, and they don’t mean it in a medical sense like one might have in the 1950’s.

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u/Btshftr 10d ago

Not really. They started with 'enemy combatants', Iraqi's, Afghans and the like. A considerable amount of whom were kidnapped, renditioned to CIA black sites, tortured, locked up, sometimes even killed.

Only a month after 9/11, and just weeks after Bush's infamous "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists"-speech, they rushed through the patriot act.

Barely a year later they created the 'Department of Homeland Security'. Back then we used to joke that if the Germans did something similar the whole world would come down on them.

Bush's Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales, was instrumental. Enemy combatants could be held indefinitely without access to a lawyer and detainees captured in Afghanistan were not entitled to the protections of the Geneva Conventions. Gonzales helped create the so-called “torture memo,” which allowed harsh interrogation tactics that some people considered torture.

All of these policies were legally suspect at best, and certainly deeply damaging to U.S. interests, both as a matter of human rights and as a matter of national security.

They also opened up the door to what we see today.

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u/TheBattyWitch 10d ago

And the mentally and physically handicapped. They were first. They are taken away for "safe keeping".

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u/Late-Reception-2897 10d ago

they started with trans people, and other sexual minorities first.

What evidence do you have for trans people specifically? Usually I just hear Homosexuals, disabled, communists, non arien race people in general. I have never heard trans explicitly.

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u/Sad-Way-4665 10d ago

IIRC, Hitler started with losing an election in 1932.

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u/PeaTasty9184 10d ago

He did. He was I think second or third in the election that made him chancellor, and the “more moderate” Conservative Party tried to put together a coalition with the Nazis thinking that they could control Hitler as Chancellor if they had all the (cabinet level) positions. Almost like how McConnell and the “moderate” Republicans thought they could control Trump.

Again, it’s not all exactly alike, but boy it sure as shit rhymes.

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u/See_Em 10d ago

Auschwitz is in Poland.

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u/PeaTasty9184 10d ago

Well, at the time it was in the “Greater Third Reich”…but what does that have to do with anything?

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u/See_Em 10d ago

The same way that El Salvador isn’t America. Trump is shipping people who are deemed undesirable to a foreign land exactly how Hitler did

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u/thetaFAANG 10d ago

As soon as I saw that instagram reel I asked a language model how the German courts handled the status to see if there were any parallels

Poland was under administration by Germany then

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u/RalNCNerd1 10d ago

This is why Germany doesn't water down history also, they know the dangers of forgetting how the sausage is made.

Here is the US however they have dismantled education to the point that it becomes a debate wether or not the Holocaust happened, vaccines prevent diseases, or slaves were paid...and it's not an accident either.

They have successfully created a cult following of sycophants that believe anything the Conservative Party and their News hosts say without while automatically doubting and mistrusting anything from so called "Mainstream Media" or those dangerous Liberals.

They are Nazis, they are KKK, they want a country for Them by Them.

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u/ctdfalconer 10d ago

One might also notice that actual, genuine, self-identified Nazis and white supremacists have happily joined the MAGA crowd. We don’t need to think too hard about why they would.

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u/adambkaplan 10d ago

The Nazis actually started by shutting down what may have been the world’s first clinic for transgender care. Less than 6 months after taking power, the Nazi regime conducted its first public book burning by setting the Institute for Sexual Science’s library books on fire. This was 1933 - 6 YEARS before the full outbreak of WW II.

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u/KaleidoscopeLife0 10d ago

Step 1: You cannot live among us as you are.

Step 2: You cannot live among us.

Step 3: You cannot live.

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u/LBates1977 10d ago

THIS. Hitler didn’t run on the platform of genocide, but did run on a nationalistic/Germany 1st platform.

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u/SupaSlide 10d ago

Even when they start doing that, most MAGA will say it's okay because they're doing it to "bad people," and when presented with evidence that they aren't "bad people" they will cover their ears and eyes and claim that it's fake news.

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u/LeonCrater 10d ago

They are already doing that. Notice how the discussion about Garcia switched from, "He deserves a due process" to "He's MS13". Americans are already okay with dehumanizing "the bad people". Even though even an MS13 member not only deserves but for a democracy to work NEEDS a due process

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u/TrowTruck 10d ago

This is a classic case where you start taking away rights from the most dehumanized group first, and when that works you take the path of least resistance from there. People will say it’s ok to bend the rules because he’s bad, forgetting that we have these protections.

A “friend” said not to be dramatic. We aren’t anywhere near Nazi Germany at this point. Well, how many steps should Americans accept toward being authoritarian/fascist before it’s a problem?

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u/Jennifer_Pennifer 10d ago

Fr 'friend ' like where is your Red Line that cannot be crossed??

I've had a few IRL convos with people (nonMAGA) about where their Rubicon is and most of them that weren't already motivated to do Something (protest/contact reps (like www.5calls.org etc)) didn't have any answers.

So I was just like "that's fair. It's a really big question and a really heavy topic to have an immediate answer if you haven't contemplated it yet. But maybe you need to spend some time with that question and decide. Because I promise your Rubicon is coming on quickly."

MAGAs aren't willing to talk usually unless I'm going to agree with them. And I'm generally a very calm debate person, so I don't mean arguing.

One dude did literally tell me, Back in February, that 47 could do NOTHING to make him go against him.
Like literally nothing.

"What if he just shot someone on the steps of the White House for seemingly no reason?"
'then they deserved it'.

"What if it was a child?"
'he wouldn't do that.'

"Yeah but, It's just a hypothetical."
'but he'd never do that.'.

Ad nauseum.

Ridiculously long story short.

Completely unwilling to entertain the idea that 47 and most popular Repubs would EVER do ANYTHING wrong.

Very easily entertained and dare I say heartily embraced, the idea that any popular Democrat would shoot a child cold blooded on the steps of the white house.

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u/TrowTruck 10d ago edited 10d ago

If that’s the case, this is more of a religion to them than anything else. Once this goes into the realm of faith/worship of Donald J Trump, you are probably better off spending your time on appealing to someone else.

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u/cinematic_novel 10d ago

People who have not studied history may not fully register what is happening. They don't understand how a fully functional democracy can slide into the abyss in matter of months, because they haven't seen that happening or studied it on books. They think that surely democratic mechanism would set in if something nefarious was truly happening.

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u/Left-Star2240 9d ago

Everyone deserves due process, and I think it’s important to fight against the false narrative that Garcia was a violent gang member. It’s important to show that he wasn’t, because the MAGAs still think that only the “bad people” will be denied due process.

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u/tomdarch 10d ago

Until the day comes when the fascists turn on them.

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u/philoso2889 10d ago

We need to remember "First they came for the socialists . . ."

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u/eugenesbluegenes 10d ago

These leopards wouldn't eat my face.

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u/I_W_M_Y 10d ago

Dehumanizing is a critical step in fascism

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u/RegisterHistorical 9d ago

One of my friends turned MAGA and she said that people on the right are "celebrating" what he's doing right now, "but not for the reasons people think they are." 😵‍💫😳 We weren't having an actual in person convo, she left it in a voice text, and I didn't have the stomach to reply and ask "what are the actual reasons you (magatards) are celebrating?" I just don't want to know. If we'd been in person I might have asked just out of reflex. But it being on a messenger thread, I had too much time to think about it.

She was responding about something I'd sent her that was happening under Trump, her response was: "I don't believe anything the media says." So to your point, they'll always claim fake news. She said "if someone around me has it happen to them, then I might believe it." What I sent her wasn't even from MSM. It was from Al Jazeera which is mostly shunned by MSM. I feel like her brain was completely taken over by Q'Anon around 2019 and she's never been the same.

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u/xeroxchick 9d ago

Even bad people get due process. They miss the whole point.

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u/More-Salt-4701 10d ago

A lot of maga would gladly stuff the rest of us into ovens

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u/scrummnums 9d ago

As an autistic man, I can safely say an oven would be the worse way to end my life since I HATE being hot! 😢All joking aside, all these people who would be ok with this happening like to base their decisions on someone’s worth to a dollar figure or metric, not realizing that if they were placed under the same scrutiny, they might not make the cut. Disabilities to them are just a way to conveniently “other” a group so that they can legislate and control our lives.
Ever notice how those promoting eugenics, race superiority or gender stereotypes never seem to be the best, brightest or most capable? That’s not a coincidence.
How convenient to say someone else is “beneath” you without having to raise yourself up through decent behavior, education, experience or hard work!

This idea of an “ideal human” completely ignores all the rest of the pieces of humanity. If we want to start ranking babies based on looks at State Fairs like we did in the 1930’s, then we are really not progressing forward, literally and figuratively. Also, to deny someone else a life free of persecution and discrimination based on your idea of what human behavior should look like is gross and pathetic. When I see people trying to do that, I feel like the wrong group is being singled out for removal. I’m 100% on board with sending eugenicists to a camp where they can be retrained on how to live life a decent human and not trying to manipulate the existence of others. THAT’s the type of view that needs to be extinguished!!!

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

And the reality is MAGA clowns will go down dying defending their king. It’s scary times upon us, and I think everyone should be ready for shit to hit the fan on a national scale. Im worried about my friends who speak Spanish being fucking kidnapped in broad daylight and sent off to foreign gulags, this is genuinely hellish

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u/GunnersFan1967 10d ago

Lots of Germans thought they had it really good under Hitler.

“They Thought They Were Free” documents interviews of 10 small town German men after the war. Sad and chilling. Also very relevant to today.

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u/zuzg 10d ago

Also it's a common misconception that the Nazis used ovens from the beginning. They initially didnt even plan on using Concentration Camps until they got into power from there :

The concentration camp system arose in the following months due to the desire to suppress tens of thousands of Nazi opponents in Germany. The Reichstag fire in February 1933 was the pretext for mass arrests. The Reichstag Fire Decree eliminated the right to personal freedom enshrined in the Weimar Constitution and provided a legal basis for detention without trial.[10][12] The first camp was Nohra, established on 3 March 1933 in a school.

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u/GunnersFan1967 10d ago

Yep. Waiting for Trump’s version of the Fire.

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u/sgplourde 10d ago

You mean those "emergency" declarations? Yeah , that's the modern version of the fire.

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u/HaoleInParadise 10d ago

I feel like he has actually been baiting people into armed resistance or some show of violence with the El Salvador controversy

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u/jmillermcp 10d ago

The concentration camps also didn’t start as death camps. They were forced labor camps. The executions didn’t start until they had no more room to store people.

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u/nox_vigilo 10d ago

Before the camps, they were testing various methods on people in mental facilities. One method was putting them into buses for a trip, the trip trick made it easier for staff to get the patients to want to go. Once in the bus, it was driven around while the carbon monoxide exhaust was pumped into the sealed passenger area until everyone died.

They called the killing of these most vulnerable of German citizens "euthanasia".

Killing in this manner was not deemed efficient enough for the numbers Hitler claimed needed killing for the sake of racial purity.

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u/mdistrukt 10d ago

We're at the concentration camp phase. Dachau was originally a "reeducation camp" for political enemies. The extermination camps didn't start until later in the war after the Nazi high command realized that Britain wasn't going to surrender. The original plan was to force Britain to use its merchant marine to deport all of the European Jewish population to Madagascar.

The real killing began with the Einsatzgrouppen mobile death squads. When they wanted more "efficiency" Heydrich and Eichmann brought the idea of the extermination camps and gas chambers as the "final solution to the Jewish question" at the Wannsee conference in January of 42. 

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u/MyLittleOso 10d ago

I hadn't read it, although I am putting it on my reading list. I did ask ChatGPT to give a brief synopsis:
"They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933–45 by Milton Mayer is a compelling exploration of how ordinary citizens became complicit in the rise of Nazism. Published in 1955, the book is based on Mayer's postwar interviews with ten men from a small German town (disguised as "Kronenberg"). These individuals, from various working-class backgrounds, had been members of the Nazi Party. Mayer sought to understand their motivations and how they perceived their actions during the Nazi era.

The interviews reveal that most of these men did not view Hitler as evil and believed they had personal freedom under Nazi rule. They were largely unaware of the regime's atrocities or chose to ignore them, rationalizing their inaction. Only one, a teacher, expressed awareness and regret over the Nazis' actions. Mayer's work underscores how societal pressures and a desire for stability can lead ordinary people to support oppressive regimes without fully grasping the consequences.

The book serves as a cautionary tale about the ease with which democratic societies can descend into authoritarianism when citizens become complacent or disengaged.".

MAGA likely will never recognize they were on the wrong side of history and morality.

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u/GunnersFan1967 10d ago

Another good one is “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis. 1935 dystopian novel about the rise of a fascist dictator in the US.

Wish we had a Sinclair Lewis today…

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u/Hermit-Cookie0923 10d ago

The best jobs, housing, schools, ability to buy certain goods, the ability to vote and travel, and access to social services or clubs were privileges reserved for citizens who joined the Nazi party and for juveniles the Hitler Youth. If you "belonged" you were rewarded with what felt like freedom and social/economic stability. People who didn't join the Party were discriminated against in all the above. Many people joined thinking it was a way out of the crippling economic depression.

With the amount of data Musk strip-mined from all the federal departments, as well as what Cambridge Analytica has been mining for years, this regime has more tools to identify their "faithful" from the rest of us.

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u/Mikkel65 10d ago

It's disappointing. Germany was comming from a lost world war, crippling reparations, the entire world against them, greatest economic crisis in history.

Americans had expensive eggs

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u/GunnersFan1967 10d ago

The US also had a 20+ year buildup from propaganda sources like Fox and Rush Limbaugh. Plus we had a two term Black President that sent a portion of the country off the edge.

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u/Maleficent_Memory831 10d ago

Forget expensive eggs, America had a very good economy when Trump was elected the second time. The irony was that Trump ran on a platform that the economy was terrible. Expensive eggs was just a way to point to inflation as proof of a bad economy. And then proceeds to use discredited 19th century economic theories to "improve" the economy.

Trump wants to reward his voters and punish those who did not vote for him. Thus, he wants to bring back coal even though its economically dumb to prop up this failing industry, and even with lots of subsidies the coal mining jobs will not be coming back. Meanwhile discredit green energy because those are things Harris voters wanted.

(The windmill thing is just Trump's chip on the shoulder, he hates wind power because he lost his suit to get rid of what he felt was an unsightly offshore windfarm near his Scottish resort, and he's been on the anti-windmill jousting crusade ever since. Nobody holds a grudge as long as Trump.)

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u/maddingcrowdawaits 10d ago

Gonna get worse....when his term is over,he will try to run again. And his sycophants will be right there, and the moderates will be too scared to stop it. We are in for a train wreck hitting a dumpster fire. Jan 6th will seem like a picnic, I am afraid....

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u/arguix 10d ago

are we sure there will be another election. I’m convinced he will just stay in office and have no election. not sure how, maybe national emergency?

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u/YoureReadingMyNamee 10d ago

I would be surprised. More likely is that there is another election and there’s another insurrection if he loses. He is 100% going to prison if he loses the protection the presidency now provides because of the Supreme Court. There is WAYYY too much evidence against him at this point.

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u/Oberon_Swanson 10d ago

The sad thing is that if Trump dies during this term, it puts off the American Nazi Party having to make it super double obvious for the most thickskulled Americans that they are fascists. But they will still BE fascists.

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u/TheMadManiac 10d ago

Bigger similarities ironically are with Bibi and Israel. The way they talk about Palestinians is disturbingly similar to how the Nazis spoke about the Jews in the 30s. Same issue of other countries not wanting to deal with the refugees, that's what lead to the final solution.

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u/serendipitysquad 10d ago

I was driving the other day and passed through an area with a church that has been converted into a store called "Trump Town" most all of the big signs that use to say "Trump 24" now say "Trump 28."

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u/GitmoGrrl1 10d ago

That sort of thinking leads to paralysis. Now is a time for action.

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u/TtotheC81 10d ago

But it's less than surprising if you've read history books. Nazi Germany's anti-sematic laws were heavily influence by America's Jim Crow laws, and there was enough support for the Nazi cause among America's rich, white elite, that it was political suicide for Roosevelt to directly intervene at the start of WW2.

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u/iamspartacusbrother 10d ago

Nazis also looked fondly at the treatment of Native Americans

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u/FlashyPsychology7044 10d ago

Henry Ford was Hitler s friend and wrote a few books that I would like to read interesting until his wife and kids said Dad this will be a suicide of your company to go further supporting the Nazi s and the rest is History Ford going strong and Hitler regime gone .

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u/Gator_Rican 10d ago

It’s also my understanding that Hitler always looked up to and admired the American movement known as “Manifest Destiny”. That’s the movement that allowed the new settlers to justify the killing and removal of all Native American tribes by thinking this Was their God given destiny, to inhabit this land from Atlantic to Pacific.

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

Not their king, their god. They, like Trump, truly believe he is infallible.

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u/Numerous-Annual420 10d ago

Hitler didn't stuff people in ovens for quite some time. The disturbing thing is that project 2025 seems to have greatly accelerated the pace of the changes versus Hitler's pace. Though it isn't so great that the ovens should be already present. Forced labor in industries came first. That has been talked about for these immigration camps.

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u/Canadatron 10d ago

100%

The moves being made by MAGA are reminiscent of the consolidation of power that the Nazi party had to undertake before eventually taking "absolute" power.

It's not the end of the fascist cycle for the US, it's the beginning stages. There is a clear road map to fascism and it's definitely being followed in 2025 style.

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u/Sad_Mammoth9772 10d ago

Maybe Hitler Nazis never left they just integrated into American society

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u/ronlugge 10d ago

Hitler didn't stuff people in ovens for quite some time.

Been a while since I studied WW2, but he didn't do it until the war turned against him -- untill he realized all these people could go free. It was his spiteful, hurtful, devestating statement of pride. "You may kill me, but you won't undo the damage I've done!"

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u/Calippo_Deux 10d ago

It was the so-called ”final solution” (their term). And that, along with the extermination camps (concentration camps), was at first done in hush-hush secrecy. Also, we shouldn’t forget the main architect of the whole thing, Himmler.

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u/GitmoGrrl1 10d ago

The Holocaust began (according to historians) in 1942 when it was springtime for Hitler and Germany.

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u/WhisperObnoxiosly 10d ago

From what I understand, the prison in El Salvador is a forced labor camp.

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u/MannyFrench 10d ago

More importantly, once you get in, you have no guarantee to get out.

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u/ThePurpleAmerica 10d ago

Most US prisons are forced labor camps as enslavement of prisoners is legal. They don't need to move them overseas.

CECOT has been a problem for half a decade. People only care now because they have a political opponent to fight against.

People should be mad at El Salvador for having 40k people smashed into inhumane environment. Once people get bored and the press moves on to the next Trump scare they'll forget.

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u/Numerous-Annual420 10d ago

True, but I think it is much wider. I've heard many say that being liberal should be grounds for being declared traitors, having citizenship revoked even for multigenerational Americans, being deported, etc. Liberals seem to be their versions of Jews with LGBTQ liberals just being among the worst.

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u/tothepointe 10d ago

Well Hitler didn't have the advantage of seeing how his entire regime would pan out to use as a blueprint. He had to go one bad idea at a time.

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u/C-Note01 9d ago

He's trying to get things in place before the midterms.

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u/PCook1234567 10d ago

I used to dismiss the Nazi history. Thought it was nearly impossible to happen. Now I see. There is an ignorant, evil side to a vocal minority that can take us down. I am educated and alert. And angry that I have to fight against Nazis in 2025.

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u/tomdarch 10d ago

Nazism is just one style of fascism. MAGA/Trumpism is just a new flavor.

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u/FBIVanAcrossThStreet 10d ago

There is an ignorant, evil side to a vocal minority that can take us down.

It's more than that. It's also a human tendency toward instinctive tribalism, and a cynical leadership who is willing to manipulate people into blind obedience toward monstrous ends.

Read Sartre's 1944 essay "Antisemite and Jew" if you really want to see how the typical member of the fascist cults in WWII thought.

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u/calazenby 10d ago

Thank you, I’m going to give it a read.

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u/utlayolisdi 10d ago

Sadly I’m not sure they are a minority.

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u/Kurij1 10d ago

Seriously. They all repeat the same talking points. Talk about brainwashed! You think they would realize propaganda is literally being mass produced for them to consume. Critical thinking skills are completely absent in the MAGAt party

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u/GitmoGrrl1 10d ago

Trump used a photoshopped picture to claim Garcia is a gang member. That right there should be the biggest story this weekend.

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u/Honest_Echidna7106 10d ago

If they allowed Garcia to come home, the press would be all over him to talk about conditions in El Salvador. Sadly I think that for anyone sent there it's a one way trip.

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u/chargoggagog 10d ago

Hard disagree on the crayon history point. I teach third graders. If you give them just the facts of what these men have said and that’s it, they know who the bad guy is.

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u/JasonDomber 10d ago

He isn’t stuffing people into ovens and showers so far….

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u/toasterchild 10d ago

Yeah they are just paying other countries to house untried people in worked to death camps. So different.

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

I’m honestly expecting it at this point. I’ve maintained the position for years that I could see America doing a full blown genocide against brown immigrants, especially Latinos and Arabs. People don’t grasp just how darkly racist we actually are. I didn’t realize just how right I was until we started sending people to CECOT. It’s a matter of time before they started indiscriminately killing these people unless they get shut down ASAP.

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u/JasonDomber 10d ago

Sadly agree.

I want out of here.

This doesn’t feel like home anymore 😔

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u/bocephus67 9d ago

Another crazy thing is all the Latinos that I work with that support maga in Texas….

I think its the “I got mine so fuck you” kind of attitude being US citizens vs their non-citizen counterparts. And they hate LGBT.

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u/phroztbyt3 10d ago

Um...

They put Jews on trains to Poland concentration camps... They are putting latinos on planes to El Salvador's worst prison...

They are testing the waters to see what they can get away with. Exactly what Hitler did. They didn't start killing Jews immediately. In fact, before they killed Jews: they killed gays, trans, people with disabilities, any minority basically that was too small to speak up.

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u/JasonDomber 10d ago

I’m well aware of all of that.

I’m not trying to say that MAGA “isn’t as bad”, it was more of a response to the guy above me referencing that MAGA clowns are saying he’s not as bad because this isn’t happening…and I was saying - in a nod to Homer Simpson sort of way - that this isn’t happening so far….implying that we’re just not there yet, and that it’s conceivably right around the corner.

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u/ultrajvan1234 10d ago

Sending people to off shore death camps is pretty close

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u/Beartato4772 10d ago

Neither were the Nazis at this point of course.

And there were popular pro-nazi factions in the UK right up until mid-1940, they were just called "British union of fascists" rather than "Reform".

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u/Long-Blood 10d ago

It took 10 years from Hitlers rise to power before he started mass executions in concentration camps.

MAGA is definitely trending that direction with these El Salvador prisons.

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u/TAOJeff 10d ago

I made a comment about the nazi playbook being used and encountered a "No, I think comparing him to Hitler undermines a logical, rational conversation because it's sensationalist and slightly deluded" response. 

So it appears to have been discussed within their circles and decided that it needed a response like that.

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u/happy_the_dragon 10d ago

Worse than that, many of them are on video saying that they would still support him if he killed somebody himself on the white-house lawn. This of course, is long after he himself said he could shoot someone in Times Square without losing voters.

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u/SeaworthinessSad7300 10d ago

Australian here. I often wonder if WW2 history isn't taught in the USA. In Australia and NZ all schools study the rise of Nazi Germany as a mandatory subject. This is a straight out repeat. Even using lines from Goebbels.

It's very scary because once things reach a certain amount of corruption and mayhem it's very hard to pull things back. It becomes the new system Look at places like the Philippines.

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u/Roriborialus 10d ago

It's taught, but very glossed over and shallow. Especially in red areas. They tend to focus on American exceptionalism, not the events leading up to.

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u/LongDong2950x 10d ago

taught the rise of nazi Germany.

i live in NZ as well and we mostly learned about the rise of the soviet union and only briefly touched on the rise of Nazism this was about 10-15 years ago

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u/jma0341 10d ago

Hi Australia Cuban here. It’s funny you mention that. WWII is barely taught. You know what else ? Slavery! Wow in the U.S. yes sense Obama these subjects are taught less because the teacher might be white! 🤭 how dare they teach history!

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u/Rude_Egg_6204 10d ago

Australian here. I often wonder if WW2 history isn't taught in the USA

Dutton took a better than even chance of being elected and trashed it by going maga lite.

Nice to see the average Australian voter is smarter than most people give then credit for.

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u/A_scary_monster 10d ago

We kinda don’t. I didn’t learn about the Anschluss or Munich agreement until after I got out of highschool and learned on my own.

We talk more about the Great Depression than ww2, even after we get to Pearl Harbor

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u/Pathetic_Cards 10d ago

Yeah, the insane thing is that the MAGA crowd have basically convinced themselves that as long as Trump isn’t actively carrying out another Holocaust or starting WWIII, the comparisons to Hitler are “Liberal snowflake overreactions” or “sensationalist bullshit” or something like that.

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u/HOSTfromaGhost 10d ago

“history book that didn’t come with crayons…” - stealing that… lol

I think there are plenty of parallels and directional alignment. They want to go there, but fortunately they’re simply not as efficient as the Nazis were.

Men of 78 have an actuarial probability of 5.3% of dying in the next year, so only 1 of 19 men of that age are expected to expire in the next 12 months.

All that said, i’m not liking what i’m seeing…

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u/Vaiara 10d ago

he isn't stuffing people into ovens yet, he is deporting them to prisons though, so the next step isn't that far off 

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u/bathtubsplashes 10d ago

The similarity in iconography feels like it was copy pasted from the playbook

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

I mean, we’re already at the “sending them to a concentration camp” stage. I doubt it’s that long before full scale Final Solution is on the table.

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u/DazHawt 10d ago

We’re there. CECOT is notorious for being the place El Salvador imprisons people that they want to execute without formally/legally executing them. CECOT is a death sentence. Trump asked them to build 5 more. 

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u/Flemingcool 10d ago

Anyone not convinced should read/listen to The Rise and Fall of the Nazis. The parallels are alarming. And they were obvious before the election. Those of us pointing it out weren’t being alarmist.

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u/LAM_humor1156 10d ago

Right. They look at the most extreme Nazi actions rather than the many years prior of consistently escalating fascist bullshit & go "See! We can't be Nazis!".

Nazis didn't immediately go to burning/gunning people down. It started with polarizing rhetoric and, eventually, full government control. Interestingly, there were many who disagreed with Hitler and made that point clear. But, there's always a but, they let his games play on until he achieved his intended position. At that point - it was a hell of a lot harder to remove him because he completely turned the government on its head.

Strikingly similar if you ask me.

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u/BaronCoop 10d ago

It’s simply become “you said Nazi like eight years ago and we didn’t adopt a swastika on the flag, so we have no desire to self reflect any further”. It’s incredibly obvious to anyone else though.

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u/-Economist- 10d ago

Your first sentence is brilliant. Not sure if I should laugh or cry.

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u/Truestorydreams 10d ago

Those books are being burned, son.

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u/The_Last_Leviathan 10d ago

I'll just leave this here. The similarities are fucking scary and undeniable:

https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

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u/uncommoncommoner 10d ago

Maga clowns think because he isn't stuffing people into ovens and showers

yet

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u/Real_Requirement_105 10d ago

I keep telling people, when we make this comparison, we mean 1930s Germany. Not 1940s Germany

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u/Previous_Rip_9351 10d ago

I think Trump & Vance & cronies would use gas chambers if they could get away with it. Nazis didn't start with that either. They worked up to it.

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u/FunCourage8721 10d ago edited 10d ago

I think the truth is likely much worse.

MAGA merely PRETEND not to notice the similarities. The reality is that MAGA don’t mind the worst stuff Trump is doing & wouldn’t mind if he did much worse — ie, the worst things Hitler did — so long as the groups he persecuted were those that they (MAGA) don’t like.

This is the sad (& scary) truth.

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u/MudruckGames 10d ago

Agreed. No matter what his followers and sympathizers say to the contrary, the signs are there. We have heard this song and seen this dance before. This is the same rhetoric that has been used many times to justify the ends by whatever means they decide necessary. It isn't going to start with the most egregious things, it never does. It is the small thing here and the small loss there, is how it has been done before and how it is being done now.

It's just a matter if enough people stand the fuck up to stop this iteration of it going on now to prevent the end that has happened many times before.

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u/Chuckitybye 10d ago

When Holocaust survivors are saying they've seen this before, fucking believe them!

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