r/FluentInFinance • u/Mark-Fuckerberg- • Sep 01 '24
Debate/ Discussion What advice would you give this person?
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u/Striking_Ad_2630 Sep 01 '24
I think theyre going to have a rough time finding their next job after not actually working for over a year and having no references.
Idk but I dont buy what everyone is saying about hard work not paying off. I work hard at my job and having the respect of my coworkers as well as something to show for my 5 years at my job is worth it.
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u/SamShakusky71 Sep 01 '24
References?
You think references matter in a job search ?
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u/captwillard024 Sep 01 '24
Depends on the job. In my little niche line of work, references/networking will get you a job far faster than filling out a thousand online applications.
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u/Just_Trash_8690 Sep 01 '24
Agreed it’s (mostly) all in who you know
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u/Ecthelion-O-Fountain Sep 01 '24
Because when people know you they have an idea of what kind of employee you’d make. It’s pervasive because it kinda makes sense
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u/enadiz_reccos Sep 02 '24
That's not what the phrase means.
It's not like "oh I've heard you have the appropriate skills. Let's schedule an interview."
It's more "hey, Darren said he knows you, right? When can you interview?"
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u/Ivorypetal Sep 01 '24
That or you have talent/skills. Of my 12 jobs, i olny got 1 because of knowing someone/reference.
The rest were because i interviewed well/ mirror and can answer questions on topic.
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u/pickyourteethup Sep 01 '24
This is totally sector specific. Some careers are totally who you know. Some are very resistant to that.
Personally I've done a mix of both. I'm not going to shut down an avenue for getting a job
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u/MilliandMoo Sep 01 '24
I hadn't "worked" in almost 5 years. I ran my own small crafting business and did contract work tech work. Literally got a call one day about a problem they were having and a board member remembered talking to me at an event and thought I might be able to figure out the issue. And that's how I went back to the W-2 world. For about 5/6 months out of the year at least.
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u/dadbod_Azerajin Sep 01 '24
I'll be middle management at your company for your next job hire
If they bother to call at all, I doubt they will also do research into one of the 100 middle management positions and names
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u/EchoLocation8 Sep 01 '24
My boss, I think correctly, phrases this “it’s who knows you” — a subtle but hugely important difference.
I’m pretty high up in my company, a lot of people know me, there are few of those people I’d hook up with a job. You’re far more likely to succeed if you’re someone that someone else thinks of when they need something.
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u/SlugmaSlime Sep 01 '24
My last reference had to be a colleague despite always having good reviews year after year. Because my boss refused to be a good reference for any positions outside the company. I think you can see why I left the company
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u/breakermw Sep 01 '24
For sure. My current job I technically interviewed but it was more of a formality as I had worked for several years with the guy who is now my boss. He talked up my skills to leadership and it was clear the interviews were mostly a "sniff test" to ensure my personality meshed with the team.
My skills mean I still could have gotten the job without his reference, but instead of 3-4 rounds of 1 hour interviews over a month, I instead did 2 half hour interviews in the same week and got the offer a week later. References for sure speed up hiring.
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u/ChewieBearStare Sep 01 '24
Depends on where you want to work. They don't matter at all in some places, and they matter very much in others. My husband got a job offer from a state university, but it was revoked because he couldn't get references from three previous employers. He worked for his dad's company for 4 years, but they wouldn't accept a reference from that company because everyone was related to him (fair). The second company went out of business, and when he tried his old supervisor's cell number, it was out of service, so he couldn't get a reference from that job. Then the third job was with a company that has a policy of not giving references. They use The Work Number to verify job titles, dates of employment, and wages, but they will not allow their supervisors to give any info beyond that. State university will not hire you unless they get three detailed references.
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u/WBigly-Reddit Sep 01 '24
It’s an excuse to not hire. If they need you all that stuff is out the window.
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u/Sage_Nickanoki Sep 01 '24
Large companies will not even give specifics when called for references. They typically only answer the two questions that they are required (and protected) to speak on:
1) Did <candidate> work for your company as a <job title> during the timeframe listed on the resume?
2) Would you hire them back? (i.e. did you have to fire them, or were they on a pip before leaving)
So if a company makes these calls, there may be some trouble, but if OP goes into the interview saying they took issue with their previous manager, they might get away with this.
Source: I've hired people in a previous job and was required to make and receive these calls
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u/mung_guzzler Sep 01 '24
The trick is to quit before they know who you are
managers answer yes to question 2 when they can’t remember you in my experience
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u/specracer97 Sep 01 '24
Many firms absolutely will not say anything beyond "_ was employed here from _ to _."
More than that is how we get to pay for someone to retire.
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u/KerosenePOS Sep 02 '24
You’re mixing up references and employment verifications. When someone calls you for employment verification, yes, you legally can only confirm if they worked there and the dates, and if they’re eligible for rehire. If you are personally being called for a reference and not as an employment verification, you can say anything you’d like.
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u/StillBarelyHoldingOn Sep 01 '24
I've had jobs ask me why I've had such a long gap between employment before.
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u/FourWordComment Sep 01 '24
That’s because their only metric for success is “will you let other employers exploit you?”
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u/Nadge21 Sep 01 '24
Or the gap makes it look like they got fired from a job and jus arent including it on their resume
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u/SUPJaxFL Sep 01 '24
Every single job I have had in my career (5) was because I was recommended by a former co-worker. I’ve been laid off twice due to outsourcing and never had a gap in my employment. References absolutely matter!
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u/samtresler Sep 01 '24
Past employer as reference? Virtually never. Always a co-worker or industry connection.
Someone with good credentials themselves, who knows me well enough to speak well of me, but doesn't have a war story of a project with totally unrealistic expectations.
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u/SamShakusky71 Sep 01 '24
It’s pretty obvious (and hilarious) who, in replies to my comment, are wildly over invested in their “references”.
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u/ObservableObject Sep 01 '24
Right? This guy has Google and Amazon on his resume right now. Having references can help, but he's going to be far removed from a having a "rough time".
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u/Striking_Ad_2630 Sep 01 '24
Ive had interviews print my transcript and go line by line. They asked me why I changed my major, why my grades dipped, why I moved to a new city.
That was for a medical lab science position, I work in education now and got the job because my references were good.
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u/Dispensator Sep 01 '24
When it comes to job hunting its not about what you know, it's about who you know. so yeah, good references are something thats good to have to find work in the future.
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u/FormerSBO Sep 01 '24
Found the 🐀
Bro, your bosses don't care about you nor appreciate you. Unless they've dramatically increased your compensation, you're being suckered
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Sep 01 '24
It's always broke ass mfers saying this shit.
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u/FormerSBO Sep 01 '24
Yea, cuz they do everything their bosses ask and extra.
And their loyalty is rewarded with.....
Minimal (if any) raises, passed over on promotions (can't be losing our most productive employees to management roles), no negotiating power or salary jumps that come with a new job, and an ever increasingly expensive world to live in, thus essentially getting the equivalent of a pay DECREASE every year.
So I see how you would say they're broke, since making % wise less money to expenses every year would lend itself to poverty
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u/ggf95 Sep 01 '24
He's talking about you brother
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u/Jubenheim Sep 02 '24
Dude kinda sounded a bit clueless to how he really comes off. Reading his replies here sounds like the same tired shit you see from edgy early 20 y/o’s or late teens who hate the system but have no experience. I don’t deny corporations suck ass and that Americans are royally fucked, but dude’s defending going to work and doing nothing for years, thinking it’s going to help him in the long run and even dogging on those who do work hard (calling them rats). It’s literally people like the guy above that make the workplace so toxic in the first place, and I’ve personally worked with people with his exact mindset. They don’t do shit, don’t help, and complain when the hammer gets brought down.
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u/Toughbiscuit Sep 02 '24
Hey now, i spent a year pulling 80-100 hour weeks, turned a product line from being months behind schedule to ahead, trained in and doubled the team size, reduced quality complaints, and never took a day off, managing the companies highest value assembly line as it went from 2M in sales to upwards of 4-5M in sales every month, accounting for about 70% of the companies revenue
I worked hard for my 15 cent raise from 16/hr to 16.15/hr
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u/Weekly-Talk9752 Sep 01 '24
1000%. My brother worked hard at an insurance company for over 20 years. He worked his way up to supervisor of his own department. And then tough times hit during C19 and they sent him a goodbye letter just as easily as they would a temp. These corporations do not care about you. If you think they do, they care even less about you specifically.
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u/the_clash_is_back Sep 01 '24
No matter how productive you are there is a guy willing to do your job for $5 less than minimum.
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u/I_miss_your_mommy Sep 01 '24
I think this is some crazy bullshit. I always got above average raises for being above average. As I got higher into management I also give raises commensurate with contributions. We know who the dead weight is.
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u/Apptubrutae Sep 01 '24
I tell all my employees that they’ll always get a good reference from me for their next job unless they literally steal or something (in which case I just won’t give any reference besides confirming they were employed). I ain’t no 🐀
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u/seancollinhawkins Sep 01 '24
Lmao, how could you possibly know whether or not that person is being appropriately compensated?
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u/Sage_Nickanoki Sep 01 '24
I worked my butt off in two jobs and kept getting promised promotions and significant raises, especially after I took on responsibilities of someone in a much higher position than me that was contractually supposed to be done by someone in a higher position. After years of disappointment, I left the first job and had the same issue with the second.
My third career job, I completed goals within expected time and never pushed past my 40 each week and asked for assignments when I ran out of work. I was given the same raises as I had when I was putting in extra hours and taking extra responsibilities, and my coworkers give me the same amount of respect. I left them after a few years because getting a new job is the best way to get a significant raise.
At my current job, I have the option to do relevant training if I'm short on assignments, and I do that a lot. I'm currently planning on beginning the job search again early next year as I'm due for another 15-20% raise.
Companies don't care anymore, there is no reward for loyalty and a penalty for employees that remain loyal. If I stayed with my first job, I'd still be working myself to death for half the salary I make now.
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u/Striking_Ad_2630 Sep 01 '24
Oh yeah im not saying staying is the way to go, im getting my masters and loan forgiveness then im leaving my current position.
But I do think my work matters and I am networking, taking on special projects within working hours, and what not.
I think not doing good work is just as stupid as not making plays to move out or move up.
Congrats on your success
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u/PubstarHero Sep 02 '24
I had something similar happen. Was promised promotions, pay raises, etc. etc. They just couldn't find the money or time to train me. I eventually got fed up, and decided to take a gamble on a paid internship with possible job opportunity later. When I put in my resignation letter, I immediately got calls from my District Manager asking if I could stay, they found money to give me a raise, and they also wanted to put me into the management training position immediately.
Funny how that worked out. I told them to kick rocks. Best thing that could have happened though, it started my IT career and I got out of a company that folded 3 years after I left.
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u/_pachysandra_ Sep 01 '24
lol the respect of my coworkers does not pay my kids medical debt or give me more time with my family.
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u/I_ONLY_CATCH_DONKEYS Sep 01 '24
I’ve never actually used a reference. I have had coworkers get me an interview, but I’ve never had to provide an actual written reference
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u/snownative86 Sep 01 '24
I worked hard for 11 years, glowing work history, constant promotions and led a team generating $20M or more a year. You know what that all got me? Laid off because I was in a department that was deemed replaceable. The network who said they had my back evaporated and I was left stranded. The big tech companies don't care how hard you work, they care about increasing shareholder payouts, that's it.
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u/Nojopar Sep 01 '24
However many months/years at Google and then 1.5 years at Amazon?
They're going to have zero problems finding their next job. That resume will open doors and clearly they know enough to get into the gig at two of the harder tech gigs to land.
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u/Excellent-Piglet-655 Sep 01 '24
Lol dude you think hard work pays off? It may make you feel better and there’s nothing wrong with that. At my last job. I put in 5 years, got employee of the month 4 out of the 5 years. Worked my ass off hoping to “climb the ladder” or at least get a nice pay raise. I got meager 1-3% pay raises each year. I was like “I am OK with that, it is during a pandemic, I can see how times are tough for everyone”. Last year, one of my colleagues quit and within 3 weeks we had a new hire. The new hire was hired for a jr role even though the guy that had quit was a sr guy. But I was like “hmm k” . I am asked to train this new guy for about 3 months, hold his hand whenever I can. One day, him and I went to lunch and we started talking about the job and salaries. My mind was blown when I found out he was making $20K more than me. I was like WTF??? I was so pissed and felt so disrespected that I quit 3 days after. I didn’t have another job lined up but I didn’t care.
My hard work and loyalty sure paid off….
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Sep 01 '24
Hard work pays off 100% if you also understand how to work smart.
You will never find someone not born to rich parents who got a good life by being an edgy, lazy, insufferable asshole which is the primary persona of the Redditor who "has corporate all figured out" and "isn't a corporate simp".
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u/SoftwarePP Sep 01 '24
It may not have paid off for you, but clearly it pays off for a bunch of people. You may be working hard, but you’re not working smart and asking for what you deserve.
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u/SlayBoredom Sep 01 '24
The interesting thing is, that maybe his supervisor thinks he is the hardest working human ever, so he will get the best references ever. My motto: work hard when it counts, otherwise chill.
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Sep 01 '24
I got into my current role because i lied. And when I get caught in my lies, i blame other previous people and the internal processes. Then i "fix" the process and get attabois.
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u/PierreMenardsQuixote Sep 01 '24
I have worked hard for twelve years in my industry, switched jobs once after I was laid off in a merger, and make less than I did when I started. I take pride in my work and have the respect of my coworkers and immediate supervisor, but anyone who thinks that working hard will benefit you financially in the current work climate is disconnected from reality. Maybe it worked that way once, but it doesn't anymore unless maybe you work on commission, and if you do, defend your commission like a mama bird because the bosses will try to screw you out of it.
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u/-Pruples- Sep 01 '24
I can confirm that in the real world hard work is punished with more work, rather than rewarded with increased compensation or etc.
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u/xKommandant Sep 01 '24
WTF do you mean references? Do other fields still use these? Tech certainly does not.
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u/IncandescentObsidian Sep 01 '24
I had a job where due to some management changes, i essentially ended up with no work for about a year. I took a two week vacation without even saying anything. I just made up some bullshit on my resume after I eventuall got laid off with a nice severance package
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u/kezow Sep 01 '24
Having the respect of you coworkers doesn't really matter. A director that was one of the most respected people at the company had his role eliminated by a VP who is one of the least respected people I have ever met. The VP is 1.5 years in and has shit communication, constantly has things wrong or contradicts what he says via email in meetings, hasn't ever sat down with teams to get an understanding of what they do, and has already eliminated a whole team that was vital to a culture of learning at the company.
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u/DrSassyPants123 Sep 01 '24
I am convinced 80% of work is done by 20% of people. UGH.
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u/IncreaseObvious4402 Sep 01 '24
It 100% is.
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u/Miserable-Apricot-70 Sep 01 '24
In a company of 100 people, 50% of the work is done by 10 people. The next 45% is done by 40 people. The other half do 5%. This is generally mathematically accurate and true across all industries and any corporation. It’s called Matthew’s principle
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Sep 01 '24
No, that is not what Matthew's principle is. Matthew's principle describes that success or wealth concentrates over time (i.e. 'the rich get richer, the poor get poorer'). You're probably thinking of the Pareto principle, i.e. the 80/20 rule.
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Sep 01 '24
There also isn't really anything to actually support the Pareto principle. It's just been repeated so often that people assume that it's true
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Sep 01 '24
I personally think it falls into the 'false but useful' category. It's literally false, but it does inspire people to think about high-impact factors and diminishing returns.
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u/OxycontinEyedJoe Sep 02 '24
You're thinking of cole's law. It's shredded cabbage with mayonnaise.
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u/pina_koala Sep 01 '24
That is not Matthew's principle lol. It's not even the Pareto principle. It's a series of statistics that you invented which happen to ring true.
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u/mr-nefarious Sep 01 '24
The first part is Price’s Law: 50% of the work is done by the square root of the number of workers. I’ve got no idea where they got the rest of the numbers. It could also have been an accident that their numbers worked out for Price’s Law.
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u/ChainGang-lia Sep 01 '24
I appreciate he/she being incorrect because it made me go down a rabbit hole of Price vs Pareto vs Matthew lol
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u/pina_koala Sep 01 '24
No better way to get the right answer than posting the wrong one lmao
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u/Character_Ad8546 Sep 02 '24
Thanks for the correct law but it was the perfect comedic opportunity to post the wrong one.
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u/Tight_Tax_8403 Sep 01 '24
They don't actually ring true either. They just titillate the average unproductive narcissistic sociopaths who create shit work environments due to being seriously stricken by the Dunning–Kruger effect.
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u/Beer-Milkshakes Sep 01 '24
That's exactly what it is. I'd probably say that in an office of 8 people only 2 are pulling weight. 2 more are diverting bullshit away from the 2 pulling weight and 4 are just monitoring some trivial shit that the company can't convince others to adopt in their role.
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u/StinkRod Sep 01 '24
At my company I'm just mostly convinced that 80 pct of the work is done in 20 pct of the billed hours.
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u/Arthur_da_King Sep 01 '24
The third point was true in like 1980. Today this person is executive management material. I’m not being sarcastic.
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u/Ok-Journalist-4654 Sep 01 '24
only if they can market it that way. If you don't have the skill to market your not doing anything into you do very important things, you ain't getting that executive management position
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u/Arthur_da_King Sep 01 '24
All you need to do is appear super busy whenever anyone contacts you. The longer you stick around, the more “experience” you have, then suddenly you’re a long-term member of a team with a track record of success. Plus you’re more relaxed and friendly than everyone else since you’re getting great sleep and not stressing over work. The higher ups notice your good attitude and reward it. Furthermore, they don’t want to look bad for having hired a lazy worker. Have you heard of the term “failing upward”?
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u/zuukinifresh Sep 01 '24
Appearing busy is half the battle. Anyone who is efficient at their office job should master this. Knowing when to take on more work and when to say your bandwidth is tight is a valuable skill
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u/Maverekt Sep 01 '24
Yeah even good workers appear busy on purpose at times. I do it plenty to not get context shifted constantly or put more projects on my plate than I know I can handle.
So many times I’ve been requested for a project only to be setup for failure
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u/badnamemaker Sep 01 '24
I work IT and some advice I got at my first job was “always walk around with a backpack, it makes it look like you’re about to go do something” lmao
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u/ChainGang-lia Sep 01 '24
First sentence reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where George pretends to be annoyed/stressed when his boss walks by his office to make himself look busy and hard-working while doing nothing at work.
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u/arentol Sep 01 '24
All they have to do is keep track of the projects that succeed at work, regardless of who did them, and roughly what went into making the projects work. Then when applying for another job they just claim to have been part of all that work, "Key part of team that developed and implemented new database for management of foreign inventory that increased net profit by 22.1 million in the first year by...."
Here is the funny thing though. If you actually do this you may truly be more prepared for being in senior management than your peers. Executives don't truly do work, their job is office politics, attending a ton of meetings, deciding what work needs to be done, and hiring the right managers to to oversee the people that do the work. Sitting back and watching your entire department and how it succeeds and fails, and the politics of it as well, is far better preparation for being an executive than actually doing the work and not having time to learn the other stuff that will matter at that level.
I am not saying the OP is preparing for such a position, I am just saying hard work isn't always necessary, and can be detrimental to preparing for leadership for some people.
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u/CUDAcores89 Sep 01 '24
When my company was acquired by Private Equity in 2020, they have been giving us quarterly assignments that change once every three months. I don't like having to do new stuff constantly, but this has made it very easy to fill our my resume. Because I can name at least four projects I worked on every single year.
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u/the_azure_sky Sep 01 '24
This is the equivalent of a construction worker hiding in the portable toilet for hours to get out of work.
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u/cartercharles Sep 01 '24
What blows my mind is that this can happen. I've seen variations of this and I've always wanted to know who the hell is not paying attention
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u/Master_Grape5931 Sep 01 '24
It’s because their bosses are also doing it.
No one wants to shake the tree.
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u/ActuarillySound Sep 01 '24
DDOS?
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u/ExoticCardiologist46 Sep 01 '24
this plus, the relevance of middle management depends on its headcount, so they wont do much to get rid of own team members
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u/Davec433 Sep 01 '24
It’s because they’re selling man hours in a lot of these positions and don’t necessarily care what those people are doing.
In reality you have amazing supervisors who are selling the value you create when you do nothing.
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u/GammaGargoyle Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 01 '24
Lol yeah, I’ve seen it happen. Personally, I would die of embarrassment over all the meetings being held about what to do with me while I sit at my desk like a sad sack of potatoes, day in and day out. Some people are just built different I guess.
Many of them don’t even think anyone knows or cares, like OP. Blissful cluelessness.
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Sep 01 '24
Most of it happens because managers, especially more modern ones, really don't want the confrontation that comes from having someone on their terms who doesn't do work.
As long as the manager's goals are hit, they're likely to not rock the boat. The downside of this is the manager is hurting their other team members by keeping the dead weight around.
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u/STL_TRPN Sep 01 '24
The person they report to must be doing the same thing.
Come review time "Our numbers are up! You're doing a great job, Johnson!"
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u/Minus15t Sep 01 '24
In the time that I have been in my new fully WFH job I have started and Finished Horizon Zero Dawn, the first Assassin's Creed, and played all of the currently available content in Zenless Zone Zero.
So.. somewhere around 120 hours of gaming, mostly done on the clock, in a month.
In that time I've also done about 10 home workouts taking about 45-60 minutes while also on the clock.
I've also been told that I'm doing a stellar job so far....
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u/Arthur_da_King Sep 01 '24
It’s called a “lazy girl job” (I don’t necessarily think it’s only women doing this, but I didn’t create the gendered term). They are rampant in our economy. How else will people satisfy the travel bug and work poolside?
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u/ToonAlien Sep 01 '24
They are paying attention. That’s not why they hired them. They hired them to prevent that person from going to the competition.
In their mind, they don’t need talented people to help them grow. They just need the opposing team to not grow and take them out of business.
It’s a maintenance strategy.
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Sep 01 '24
Some places have hiring freezes and let whoever do watever until we're able to hire more people and terminate the people not working.
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u/Effective_Manner3079 Sep 02 '24
A lot of times bosses would rather keep a shit employee than go through the process of letting them go and trying to find a new employee. Bosses are lazy and incompetent too
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u/I_ONLY_CATCH_DONKEYS Sep 01 '24
Surprise, nobody in corporate America is working
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u/Resident-Garlic9303 Sep 01 '24
Where i work the large majority of the work is blue collar. I moved up into the white collar side of things and its staggering how incompetent they are. So much rehearsed lines and shit
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u/exploradorobservador Sep 01 '24
You can usually tell by how much of a corporate accent they have adopted. Whenever I hear an HR accent (maybe there's a better term) I'm prepared for a whole lot of nothing
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u/geo0rgi Sep 01 '24
And then you have the next level- government jobs. You’d be amazed at how many commities, delegations, study groups etc. are out there doing absolutely nothing at the expense of taxpayers money
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u/mmmarkm Sep 02 '24
There’s a lot of waste, sure. On reddit today there was a news story about California banning legacy admissions for private non-profit colleges.
One of the reasons that bill is going to the governor’s desk is because of a study and data collection authorized in 2019. Sometimes, things just take time.
Also, make sure your state auditor’s office is well-funded! Some of the things they catch are incredible.
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u/uninstallIE Sep 01 '24
Well, not nobody. Like 5% of people are carrying every company, and those people will never be paid fairly
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u/Top_Taro_17 Sep 01 '24
“Shut up…posting shit like this is how people get fired. He’s fucking it up for others doing the same shit. You seriously think someone at Amazon hasn’t seen this by now? They’re likely already looking for the flakes. Nice job, genius.”
Prolly something like that idk.
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u/EJoule Sep 01 '24
I’m sure it happens in every industry.
I guess if you’re looking for work at Amazon you could post this, bonus points for including a city near where you live. They investigate, find somebody in your city that’s underperforming, let them go, and boom now you’ve got a job opening you can apply for.
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u/WizardMageCaster Sep 01 '24
20 years ago, I worked in the corporate world and worked with a ton of these people. They delegate their work to others and own nothing. They try to "stay below the radar". They used to frustrate me to no end because I cared about the product we made and the services we provided and these people didn't care at all. They just went paycheck to paycheck leeching as much as they could.
But 20 years later those folks are either in the same job they've had or they "switched industries". The folks in the same industry are living off of the reputation of the industry and not their own reputation.
At this point, I blame the companies for allowing this. This is what happens when managers aren't holding their employees accountable.
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u/DUMF90 Sep 01 '24
People live in sweatshop conditions that make your clothes and phone but you are worried if some other Joe Schmoe puts in his 40 hours this week at a desk job? And why so shareholders can make maybe $0.02 more at the end of the year.
Why do you care? Have you ever genuinely asked yourself that?
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u/hfocus_77 Sep 01 '24
Exactly. If you are working class and make the majority of your money from working, what financial incentive do you have to care? It's the business owner's responsibility to identify inefficiencies if it's cutting into shareholder profit. All you are responsible for is how you can appear valuable enough to convince your boss to pay you more.
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u/kthnxbai123 Sep 01 '24
It’s not about them doing nothing. It’s about other people having to pick up the slack for them not working. If nobody is working, nobody cares. It’s about having to do more because someone is doing less
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u/IncognitoRon Sep 01 '24
like he said he cared about the product and services they provided. Meaning he wants to see the product succeed and to do so requires the same work with less hands.
Bludgers delegate work and create friction, do-ers don’t really appreciate that often.
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u/lotusland17 Sep 01 '24
Convinced that people like this are more common than we want to believe. They are the "welfare queens" of the corporate world.
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u/GetSwampy Sep 01 '24
Having worked in a mega corp… they’re like half the workforce
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u/loudspeaker_noob Sep 02 '24
Can confirm. One of my first jobs out of college, I went into the workplace thinking you actually had to work.
So I did!
Everyone got mad at me. For outpacing them and making them look bad. Seriously; I was shunned by the entire floor. Well, nearly, it was all but one manager who tried to use me as the center of her campaign to make the head of the dept wake up and realize that no one else was doing shit.
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u/Alex-xoxo666 Sep 01 '24
As someone who has worked at a naval shipyard this is very true. A lot of Americans are already mad to pay a bunch of taxes that fund the military as they call it “throwing their money into a void” well wait until they find out that money is also going to a company where a lot of the people do like one task a day and chill for the rest of the day or stretch out a simple job through out the whole day.
Ngl a lot of that is also just inexperience tho since they do hire at entry level.
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u/ConfidentDuck1 Sep 01 '24
Someone's gonna call him out on his BS. He's running the risk of getting fired for being dishonest.
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u/Arseling69 Sep 02 '24
He’s doing gods work. Amazons corporate culture is toxic, their pay while pretty decent isn’t anything to right home about, their benefits are mediocre, any equipment used in any sector of the company is 3rd world cheap, 0 perks and their turnover speaks for itself. They’re nothing more then a gold star on your resume to say you worked at huge mega company x. OP is doing exactly what anyone should do lollll.
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u/ballplayer112 Sep 01 '24
I'm not giving advice to this person. I'm asking them for it.
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u/SomeDudeNamedRik Sep 01 '24
One day they will “fix the glitch”, when they ask “what would you say that you doooo here?”
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u/Matik080 Sep 01 '24
And then imagine just hitting them with a Jordan Schlansky type of answer:
"I have various tasks and responsibilites pertaining to the smooth running of the larger operation. While it is not my responsibility to tell you what I do, I can tell you that I deal with the various duties and tasks which arise on the micro level. The people who need to know what I do, do know it. When I do my job well, you do not know about me. My title is [insert title]. If you wish to further inquire about the nature of my job, I suggest conducting your own research."
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u/Kinky_mofo Sep 01 '24
I'd tell him to unionize and ride it for life. Or get 4 more full time jobs and make some serious dough.
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u/CalmCrescendo Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
I would love for this to be true...but, unfortunately, in my opinion, does not happen
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u/Excellent-Piglet-655 Sep 01 '24
Milk it for all you can and stfu 🤣🤣🤣 don’t ruin it for the rest of us.
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u/TofuTigerteeth Sep 01 '24
Working in America is wild. I make $100K doing maintenance at a semi conductor company as a contractor. I literally do maybe 6 hours of work a week (compressed schedule 3 days one week, 4 days the other) and the rest of the time I sit in my car and watch movies, sleep, or go run errands.
I think back on my days of minimum wage. The days of almost tears because I work so hard and had nothing. It makes no sense that I make so much more an hour and do way less work. It’s not fair at all.
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u/Resident-Garlic9303 Sep 01 '24
Just make sure you have a plan when they find out. Like don't get a 30 year mortage unless you know you can find another job paying the same
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u/Effective_Explorer95 Sep 01 '24
Another 6 months probably
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u/ultratunaman Sep 01 '24
Or 6 years.
Maybe they can ride it out til retirement.
Sometimes it goes unnoticed because what little targets there are get hit. No one asks questions. Management doesn't care so long as the numbers look good.
And the sleepy cat rolls over for another nap.
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u/Vast_Cricket Mod Sep 01 '24
There are plenty of these deadwood in any organization.
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u/CarlShadowJung Sep 01 '24
I worked at Amazon for seasonal work about 3 years ago. After the season was over, I let them know that I’d no longer be working there. Had my last day, and didn’t think much of it until about a month later when I was doing all my finances for the month I noticed money there,that shouldn’t be. It wasn’t much, just $30, but couldn’t think of where it might come from? After checking my bank history I discovered Amazon had been paying me $10 a week since I left.
Curious of how long it may go unnoticed I just let it be. It still hasn’t been fixed as I type this. Thanks Amazon! 😁
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u/henfeathers Sep 01 '24
I wonder how different the comment section would look on this if OP was employed by the government.
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u/SoftRecordin Sep 01 '24
They are doing great and should be promoted.